A NEW Jersey-based voice expert tapped by former Sen. Francisco Tatad to evaluate the supposedly wiretapped conversations between Elections Commissioner Virgilio O. Garcillano and President Arroyo has found similarities in their voices in the controversial recordings and the voice samples Tatad’s group had collected and sent to the U.S.

Ernst F. S. Alexanderson, president of Voice Identification Inc., also said certain recorded segments of the telephone conversations are “contiguous, uninterrupted and unaltered” and “appear to be legitimate reproductions of the original telephone calls.”

Alexanderson’s findings are contained in two letters dated last June 3 and 9 and addressed to lawyer Felix Carao of the Saguisag Carao Law Office.

The American voice expert said he needed to do more comparisons “to find enough evidence to be convincing and conclusive.” But Tatad said a Filipino voice expert told his group that Alexanderson’s findings are sufficient to conclude that the voices in the recordings are those of the President and Garcillano.

On Mrs. Arroyo, Alexanderson said in his June 3 letter, “An aural comparison to the cassette recording of Macapagal-Arroyo indicated a strong similarity in the sounds of the voices, suggesting it was the same speaker.”

On Garcillano, he said in his June 9 communication, “Our aural comparison indicated a similarity in the voices. Of particular interest to us was the ‘s’ sounds, in which both known and unknown ‘Gary’ spoke with a lisp (a speech impediment).”

Alexanderson, a certified voiceprint examiner, is said to have analyzed about 250 cases involving voiceprint comparison and trained about 100 law enforcement personnel in voice identification. He is also said to have taken part in research studies involving aspects of identification such as limited frequency response, disguised voices, electronically altered voices, mimics and family members.

As a voice identification expert, Alexanderson is regularly tapped as a court witness in the District of Columbia. He is listed in expertpages.com, the leading Internet directory on expert witnesses and consultants. His company, Voice Identification Inc., produces sound spectographs for use in forensic voice identification and for use in the speech field.

Below are the phone conversations that supposedly transpired between the President and Garcillano from May to June of 2004.

Conversation on 28 22:13 May 2004

Garcillano: Hello, good evening ma’am.

GMA: Hello, the FPJ camp raw will file a case against the Board of Canvassers of ano, dun sa Marawi and the military?

Garcillano: Ano, ma’am?

GMA: The FPJ camp raw will file a case against the Board of Canvassers and the military in Marawi.

Garcillano: Hindi naman po siguro nila maa-ano yung ating Board of Canvassers, pero ang military sa field si Gudani, sa kanila si Gudani. I do not know why they will file.

GMA: Oo, oo.

Garcillano: Sa kanila si Gudani ma’am. That’s why I have to work with Gen. Esperon and Gen. Kyamko na at that time, pinalitan nga niya si Gudani for a while. Kaya kwan, pero bakit nila pafile-filan and military na sa kanila lahat. Halos ayaw na nga mag-give way sa amin ng mga tao.

GMA: Oo, meron silang pinakidnap … (line cut)

Conversation on 29 09:43 2004

GMA: Hello…

Garcillano: Hello, ma’am, good morning. Ok ma’am, mas mataas ho siya pero mag-compensate po sa Lanao yan.

GMA: So I will still lead by more than one M., overall?

Garcillano: More or less, it’s the advantage ma’am. Parang ganun din ang lalabas.

GMA: It cannot be less than one M.?

Garcillano: Pipilitin ma’am natin yan. Pero as of the other day, 982.

GMA: Kaya nga eh…

Garcillano: And then if we can get more in Lanao..

GMA: Hindi pa ba tapos?

Garcillano: Hindi pa ho, meron pa hong darating na seven municipalities.

GMA: Ah ok, ok.

Conversation on 29 09:47 May 2004

GMA: Hello, forty-plus daw ang talo ko dun sa Cotabato?

Garcillano: Ma’am?

GMA: More than forty?

Garcillano: More or less, pero hindi ho siguro sosobra ng forty ma’am. Nag-usap na kami Atty. Bedol.

GMA: Ah ganun? So mali yung figures ni Teng?

Garcillano: Ah, siguro kasi yung si Teng, kinausap ho niya ang staff ni Atty. Bedol. Kami ni Atty. Bedol, nagusap ho ngayon. But I’ll give you the exact figure ma’am in a little while, para ma-ano ninyo.

GMA: Oo, pero.. (line cut)

Conversation on 27 7:29 hotel May 2004

GMA: Hello, meron tayong … (?) … E.R.? para sa Sulu?

Garcillano: Saan po, Ma’am?

GMA: Sa Sulu, Sulu?

Garcillano: Oo ma’am, meron po.

GMA: Nagco-correspond? Kumpleto?

Garcillano: Oo ma’am. Lahat ho meron, hindi po naming ika-count kung …

GMA: Ok, ok.

Conversation on 11:04 26 May 2004

GMA: Hello, Hello.

Garcillano: Hello ma’am good morning po.

GMA: Oo, oo. Si ano, si Biazon nagbabanta, kung madadaya daw siya papabuksan daw niya yung sa … at saka Tawi-tawi, eh baka raw ako ang madale doon…

Garcillano: Baka nga ho … (line faded, cut)

Conversation on 11:25 26 May 2004

GMA: Hello, Hindi kaya pwedeng mag-delay yung ano, yung senatorial canvassing until after the voting on the rules tonight?

Garcillano: On the rules? Ah sige po…

GMA: …sa Senate, para walang away. Between two allies ito, siyempre magagalit ito, yung isa magagalit din for sure … (line cut)

Conversation on 29 1400hrs. May 2004

Garcillano: Hello ma’am . Tumawag raw kayo.

GMA: Sabi nung kabila, nagpaplano sila among themselves, meron daw silang mga affidavits from teachers and Board of Canvassers na they witnessed and were made to cheat.

Garcillano: Wala naman hong… san ho kaya? Yung kwan ho kanina , yung sinabi nyo sa Pangutaran it was like this. Its Tirona, yung nag-appear doon, nabaligtad si FPJ. Sa canvassing sa province, and result yung din hong original and ilalagay because of the words and figures will not change. Kasi sila Gen. Abahacon ba, hindi masyadong marunong pa dyan, medyo sila ang ano dun. Nagexplain ho sa akin yung election officer ng Pangutaran, si …, pero sa canvass, sinabi naman ho ng Provincial Board of Canvassers, ang ginawa, yung kinuhang original votes nya, yun din ho ang nabilang kaya wala ho kayong …. (line cut)

Conversation on 31 23:17 May 2004.

Garcillano: Hello, Ma’am. GMA: Hello, tsaka ano yung kabila, they’re trying to get copies of Namfrel copies of the Municipal COCs.

Garcillano: Namfrel copies ho? Ay wala naman, okay naman ang Namfrel sa atin, and they are now sympathetic to us.

GMA: Oo, oo, (garbled) Pero un nga, they are trying to get that.

Garcillano: Oho, we will get in advance copy ho natin kung anong hong kwan nila.

GMA: Oo, oo.

Garcillano: Sige ho.

Conversation 01 21:43 June 04.

Garcillano: Hello, ma’am. Good evening, ma’am.

GMA: Hello, when they opened ballot box of Camarines Norte, it was empty.

Garcillano: Uhm, this afternoon, ma’am? Camarines Norte?

GMA: Uhm-um.

Garcillano: I’ll call up the supervisor tonight or tomorrow ma’am.

GMA: Uhm-um, si Cariño?

Garcillano: Ah, Lisa Cariño. Please, she’s not going to do that because this guy is a straight type.

GMA: But it was empty.

Garcillano: Oh yeah, I’ll call her up ma’am.

GMA: Okay.

Conversation on 02 22:29 June 04.

Garcillano: Hello, ma’am. Good evening.

GMA: Hello, dun sa Lanao del Sur at Basilan, di raw nagmamatch ang SOV sa COC.

Garcillano: Ang sinasabi nya, nawawala na naman ho?

GMA: Hindi na nag-match.

Garcillano: Hindi na nag-mamatch? May posibilidad na hindi magmatch kung hindi nila sinunod yung individual SOV ng mga munisipyo. Pero aywan ko lang ho kung sa atin pabor o hindi. Dun naman sa Basilan at Lanao Sur, ito ho yung ginawa nilang magpataas sa inyo, maayos naman ang paggawa eh.

GMA: So nag-mamatch?

Garcillano: Oho, sa Basilan, alam nyo naman ang mga military dun eh, hindi masyadong marunong kasi silang gumawa eh. Katulad ho dun sa Sulu, sa General Habatan. Pero hindi naman ho, kinausap ko na yung Chairman ng Board sa Sulu, ang akin, patataguin ko muna ang EO ng Pagundaran na para hindi sila makatestigo ho. Na-explain na ho yung sa Camarines Norte. Tomorrow we will present official communication dun po sa Senate. Dun ho sa sinasabing wala hong laman yung ballot box. Na-receive ho nila lahat eh.

GMA: Oo, oo.

Garcillano: Tumawag ho kayo kanina ma’am?

GMA: Yeah, about that Lanao del Sur at Basilan.

Garcillano: Iaano ko na lang ho, nagusap na kami ni Abdullah dun sa kwan kanina. About this, iaano ko ho, huwag ho kayong masyadong mabahala. Anyway, we will take care of this. Kakausapin ko rin si Atty. Macalintal.

GMA: Oo. Tapos nun, si uhm… sa Languyan, meron daw silang teacher na nasa Witness Protection Program ng kabila.

Garcillano: Sino ho?

GMA: Yung kabila. May teacher daw silang hawak.

Garcillano: Wala naman ho, baka nanakot lang ho sila kasi.

GMA: Languyan, Tawi-tawi?

Conversation on 06 1900 hours June ’04

GMA: Hello.

Gary: Evening po ma’am. Dumating

GMA: Ah dumating… dapat sigurado ang mga documents consistent sa Maguindanao.

Gary: Ah, hindi naman ho masyadong problema sa Maguindanao … Ano ho yung itinext kagabi na may mga fake precincts na ako daw ang mastermind? Pero ma’am ano ba naman. Hindi ko maintindihan what they are trying to drive at when 120 days before elections established na ang precincts.

GMA: Ah ok, ok. siguro ano, shot in the dark lang yun, but I’m just letting you know everything I find out para we can always make the appropriate remedies.

Gary: Si General Lomibao nasa Zamboanga na. I have all the people around us talk to him so that they will be able to prevent who is going to work.

GMA: Ok. Ok. Ok. Thank you.

Conversation on 07 16:10 June ’04

Gary: Hello

GMA: Hello, did you get my text about the Tipo-tipo?

Gary: Oho, oho Ma’am. Kwan ho, that’s what I’m being fearful about. Kung si Rashma Hali yun, that’s why we’re asking people to look for her so that we can control her.

GMA: She’s probably already being held by them.

Gary: Ma’am?

GMA: She’s probably being held by them already. Gary: She is. That’s why if it is possible we will have her family to call her up from Zamboanga.

GMA: O sige, OK.

Conversation on 07 19:17 June ’04

GMA: Hello, ano nahanap na ninyo?

Gary: Ma’am?

GMA: Ano nahanap na ninyo iyong sa Tipo-tipo? Gary: Tipo-tipo, hindi pa. Ang inaano nila ngayon… (line cut)

Conversation between Gary and PGMA on 10 13:40 June ’04

Gary: Hello.

GMA: Hello, Garci? Ano, nag-usap na kayo ni Abalos?

Gary: Oo Ma’am. Mamamasyal muna daw ako sa Mindanao. Kaya nga kung ano hong mga problema, tawagan lang ho ninyo ako.

GMA: May problema sa South Upi. Pero lokal. Kasi iba-iba raw ang prinoclaim ng Comelec dun.

Gary: Sino ba ang atin dun?

GMA: Ay, naku. Ang importante, hindi madamay yung sa taas.

Gary: Hindi ho, ako ang may hawak nun.

GMA: Kasi ang issue doon sabi ng (garbled) Dadalhin daw sa kanila yung recount pero sabi naman ni Echeverri dapat doon na lang sa munisipyo.

Gary: Dun na lang ho.

GMA: Oo.

Gary: Ok na ho yun. Ako ho ang may hawak nyan.

GMA: So hindi maaapektuhan sa taas ha. Kasi sabi nga nila eh kung maging exclusive eh, sabi nga nila si Fernando Poe Jr eh gumagapang na naman doon eh.

Gary: Ah hindi ho, nasa akin ho yan.

GMA: Ok, Ok.

50 Responses to Voice expert’s reports

Avatar

Naz

June 17th, 2005 at 12:33 am

Ah yes, the Ethnomethodology method. Maybe I can ask my dad about this. My dad was a campaign-helper in the FPJ campaign. Although my mom and dad are seperated and my moms side and etc supported brother eddie, maybe even atleast i can get something from my dad. if I can remember correctly.. He told me that there was something about the “file on FPJ camp or something…” Will ask him on this if it has any connection. Godbless and takecare!

Avatar

Zentanglement by Joachim Guanzon

June 17th, 2005 at 5:54 am

Ano ba Yan?

The 9th most powerful woman in the world, buking…

Avatar

lethal_pointofview

June 17th, 2005 at 8:36 am

She even used “GOD” or the supreme being that put her on the post.Duh! Manang Gloria, sorry for the term, but people should also be alarm how much she pays in order for her to win the election. We also need to have an investigation how much Manang Gloria and family put up or set up “Foundations” they built “kuno” for a cause.Let the trial begins for “Manang GLORIA” – the mother of all vote buying and manipulating results.

Let us give our justice system to work on it….but I doubt the credibility of our justice system here in the Philippines…If it happens in COMELEC.. How much more in DOJ….. It is like the Octupos…it has tentacles….

Hmmm… I just need to point out how did Manang Gloria learned cheating lessons…Maybe when she still young…during her father’s term or maybe during her scholastic years in Elementary, High School or College..or Masteral…

Can we guys know how she won during her senatorial slate..Vice Presidency… I doubt it really…. I never voted since birth…not even in Barangay and Sangguniang Kabataan stuff…I volunteered for Namfrel but I was SHOCKED.coz i saw how cheating exist… We Need to totally SCRAPPED COMELEC and NAMFREL… I doubt the credibility of some commissioners in COMELEC and NAMFREL…the likes of CONCEPCION and former MAKATI BUSINESS CLUB prexy….remember him? i forgot his name…

So i dont find it irritating if I saw people on the streets airing and fighting for their right to know and justice…

Can We ask Manang GLo to read the PREAMBLE eh dun pa lang…bagsak na sya…how much more on the next pages….Im mah talking bout the constitution…and they are pushing for CHACHA…..they are all POWER SUCKERS>…a LEECH and most are CROCODILES….

Did FVR forgot to trained her apple of the eye, the ABC’s and 1,2,3’s on how to run a corrupt government without even NOTICE…with a lot of personal agenda and interest….

as the saying goes:

“The RICH becomes Richer and the POOR becomes POORER..”

“Like father, like daughter”

Avatar

konserned

June 17th, 2005 at 9:38 am

ok..ok.. got it, so what if this is true? what then? replace the president? with whom? no president have been in power without cheating!(onli in da pilipins!).. never been a political fanatic and never will be but these things are dragging the economy down! way too deep to be seen in the next 20 years! let me move on the sidelines of this topic(but related),, just wondering why so many people complaining about poverty, they have nothing to eat, no house to live in..etc…and the government is doing nothing about it… but are they working??? they are using OUR taxes for their own good,they are not taxpayers because they are not working, THIS IS AS SIMPLE AS IT MAY SEEM BUT THIS IS CORRUPTION IN THE LOWEST LEVEL, HOW DO WE EXPECT PEOPLE ON TOP TO DO LESS???? the best option??? let’s not be on this political bandwagon, after GMA, corruption and electorral fraud will still be here to haunt our great,great,great grandchildrens and only time can help us out!

Avatar

bugsey

June 17th, 2005 at 10:09 am






Love your comment. It’s hot. You seem to be my kinda man! kiss :)

Avatar

swerty

June 17th, 2005 at 10:23 am

—Off topic—

Warning: Be careful especially if you are taking bus or train or around a big crowd. I’m a little paranoid but I need to tell you that there might be some incidences of criminal acts or a major news like bombing a mall. All I’m saying is that they might use some diversionary tactic to distract the attention of the people. Again, be careful and be vigilant.

Avatar

bugsey

June 17th, 2005 at 10:47 am

Thanks! I am paranoid too. I was gonna see Batman ((bwahhh)! Hey, this is a secret. I promise I won’t tell anyone. Not anyone– who’s gonna bomb who? What area? Will they include the cinemas? I hope NOT! I promise you I will NOT tell anyone IF you tell me who and when and where these bombings are gonna be so that I can at least, watch a movie, cuz all I have at home are prated ones and it sucks when it’s not on the bug screen. I am also too tired of watching the news so I need to see a REAL movie with REAL characters and REAL caped crusaders… If you tell me about when the bombings will be and where, I will appreciate it — yep — I’ll even show good faith by telling you that Batman’s secret identity is Bruce Wayne. Ok.. and Robin’s is Dick Greyson.

Avatar

dark night

June 17th, 2005 at 12:00 pm

“The Gloriagate Unification Theory”:

(( Ah… and the plot thickens… (hey, anyone could actually make good cash basing a book out of this..!) ))

Maybe it was all a case of bad luck. Gloria, on an attempt to keep tabs on her husband (or.. anyone.. who needs to be kept tabs on to… she could be that paranoid, after all…), ends up having zero credit on her cellphone.

So she searches around for any cellphone with sufficient talktime credits (…because I don’t think she personally knows that there exists an online load buying station, much less surf the net because she’d most probably see her name all over Yahoo and that would give her a migraine…), and… presto! She sees one — probably lying around her office or given to her by a frantic presidential aide…

And, bad luck it is, SHE ENDS UP USING THAT WIRETAPPED PHONE…

((…or, that must be the phone that she personally ordered to be wiretapped months or years ago, just to see if anyone around her would fall for the mistake of using it when they run out of load — and she wouldn’t have to go to the tediousness and redtape of making a Committee on Presidential Loyalty Checks…

…She just damn forgot to colorcode the casing^_^.))

Avatar

lawspeak_007

June 17th, 2005 at 12:04 pm

In the light of GMA’s stonewalling, it is with fervent hope and prayer that Garcillano will do a patriotic act of recantation and be another Chavit Singson–or much much better than Singson.

Garci should not mind what political pundits will say if by DIVINE INTERVENTION, he opts turn his back against GMA.

Avatar

P.N. Abinales

June 17th, 2005 at 12:25 pm





I really miss the times when politicos had no second thoughts about their corruption. One hated them but at least they knew and were — ironically — proud of their misdeeds. Gone are the likes of Senate President Jose Avelino who declared: “Why did you have to order an investigation, honorable Mr. President? If you cannot permit abuses, you must at least tolerate them. What are we in power for? We are not hypocrites. Why should we pretend to be saints when in reality we are not? We are not angels. And besides, when we die we all go to hell. Anyway, it is preferable to go to hell where there are no investigations, no Secretary of Justice, no Secretary of Interior, to go after us.”

This president is hypocritical and suffers from the delusion that she is without “sin” because “God” and El Shaddai are on her side.

Avatar

bugsey

June 17th, 2005 at 12:37 pm

Hey darknight…. I like the starter story… go on please… or do it on a Blog. I’ll sign in:)Gimme some humor today…. I NEED IT!!!!

Avatar

3c2p913

June 17th, 2005 at 8:21 pm

Langya nabuking ang donya,ika nga sa kapampangan “MERAKAP YA ING APU MU!”(huli ka!),sa tapang at taray ni madam,ano kaya feeling niya ngayon at alam na nya na 75M na pinoy e alam na nandaya siya,para cigurong matutunaw,matatae,maiiyak o manlulumo.Kawawa mga nakapalibot sa kanya dahil sa init ng ulo nito ngayon malamang walang nakakalapit dito e lahat nasisigawan,siyento porsiyentong totoo to,sigaw siya ng sigaw don habang ang sambayanang Pilipino ay nabibingi na sa kanyang katahimikan,ano na ngayon madam,kami na namn ang kawawa dito…..sabi nga sa kapampangan ‘DANUPAN NA KAMI LALU KEPANG DUMANUP KING MILYARING INI’!!!!

Avatar

MocoNews.net: mobile content news

June 17th, 2005 at 11:48 pm

[…] 20;two sound files of excerpts of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s alleged “Hello Garci” conversation purportedly with Comelec Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano”…Garcillano […]

Avatar

oinkquirer_com

June 18th, 2005 at 8:03 am

This just shows GMA is a “hands-on” president.

Avatar

jenzch_37

June 18th, 2005 at 12:53 pm

madaya na kung madaya! bakit ikaw malinis ka ba?!!!!!

Avatar

jjc1384

June 18th, 2005 at 2:26 pm

Hahahaha, bakit dumi ng mga tao tinitira mo! di mo tingnan yung dumi ng leader mo! Leader nandadaya! Ano yun? Kakahiya! Kung good leader siya, mag resign na siya dahil di na siya isang effective leader! hahahahah GLORIA Resign! “Suko na imuha mga tao” “Hawa na sa imung pwesto” “Tsingga-bunana!”

Avatar

sef

June 19th, 2005 at 7:06 am

The question here should be:
Why do Tatad, Lacson, and even Jose Mari Gonzales can have their own expert analysis, and have them given prominence by media, while the media themselves (ABS-CBN, GMA7, INQ, and now also the PCIJ) cannot make their own independent expert analysis?

Are we now just supposed to believe people obviously working for their own different agendas?

Hello…. PCIJi?

PS.
And while the transcripts have been posted here already some days back, are there any reasons why they are posted again?

Avatar

juanbagwis

June 19th, 2005 at 8:47 am

A lot of media organizations are afraid to know the truth also if they send the tapes/cd for authentication ? Compare their actions now with GMA against what they did with Erap. During Erap’s time daming special report kahit ang PCIJ kaliwat kanan ang release. Ngayon wala, alang nag imbestiga na media ng husto sa Jose Pidal, ung tape two weeks before lumabas yan, nadidinig na yan sa mga AM commentators sa 1242KHZ pero ang media hindi maamoy o nagbubulag bulagan kasi kasama sila sa nag-installed kay GMA although dapat neutral sila. Neutral ngayon at biased nuon??

Avatar

Alecks Pabico

June 19th, 2005 at 11:32 am

Sef, just for the record, we’ve already sought the help of the Electrical and Electronics Engineering Department of the University of the Philippines (as suggested by some bloggers) in authenticating the tapes using digital sound processing technology a week ago. I’ve addressed our request to the Department Chairperson Manuel Ramos Jr. and UP Diliman Chancellor Sergio Cao. Up until Friday last week, the Office of the Chancellor has not issued any response on the matter. We are hoping there would be one this coming week.

Avatar

sef

June 20th, 2005 at 5:51 am

Should have been the first business of the day. But, Ok, better late than never.

Avatar

alb3ar

June 20th, 2005 at 10:35 pm

Well UP is a state university and Malacañang can exert some form of arm twisting on the Chancellor’s Office.

Avatar

opoy

June 21st, 2005 at 1:53 am

The article is quite interesting, since the article can be viewed in public, can we copy paste the conversations so that we could “share” the information above, so that people without internet access could actually read it. Gloria a wise but not that wise because she never thought that cellphones can be wiretapped evidence of her voice was tracked, hope she just used MMS or chicka to communicate with other people so that they wont be able to hear teh conversations..hehee.. ;-p anyways, i guess its legal to read the conversation, because technically the government told the public not to listen to the disc.

Anyways i think the most affected here is gift gate, the sales of Hello Kitty decreased and the demand for Hello Garci might pull the country’s economy down, until 500 php is equal to 1 USD.

Avatar

Abe N. Margallo

June 21st, 2005 at 2:56 am

I’ll try to be brief this time. Here’s my take.

1. If GMA is not the voice on the tapes, then the “proper time” to so declare has long been overdue considering the damage the controversy has thus far inflicted upon the nation. It is a bit late now, but it will save the nation from greater harm if GMA should make that declaration NOW. After making public her denial, the President owes it to the country to order a full investigation of the matter preferably by an impartial and independent body. If the investigation of the independent body is transparent and its recommendations are credible, the controversy is likely to be put to rest. Otherwise, anyone deemed to have violated the law or committed betrayal of public trust should be made to face the consequences of her/his actions including immediate resignation from office.

2. If GMA is the voice on the tape, but she believes 1) that the nature of the conversation is innocuous – and therefore not illegal, “improper,” or an impeachable offense – and 2) that the wiretapping falls within the ambit of the Anti-Wiretapping Law, then GMA, considering the dimension the controversy has now reached, must waive her right to privacy (which, while a sacrosanct individual right, is after all a personal right that can be waived), and let the debate be focused on whether the conversations as originally recorded are in fact innocent. This debate should ultimately be resolved by an impartial and independent body, whose recommendations if credible should be respected. If the body finds the recorded conversations to be innocent, then the show must go on for GMA. If not, GMA must resign to allow the constitutional process of succession to take its course UNLESS the election of the Vice President De Castro is found to be equally affected.

3. In the event the election of the De Castro is similarly tainted, to save the country from the trauma of another partisan impeachment process or from a possible constitutional vacuum in the face of a long-drawn electoral contest involving Loren Legarda’s petition, the holding of “snap” elections should be considered or, in the alternative, a council of elders (acceptable to a broad spectrum of the polity) formed to serve the un-expired portion of GMA’s term. The winner of the snap elections or any member of the council of elders should commit to disqualify himself or herself to run for the next scheduled presidential elections unless otherwise the constitution is amended to provide for other means or mode of forming a government.

Avatar

carmel

June 21st, 2005 at 6:01 am

Gloria does not seem to listen to the FIlipino people. She has no accountability at all. The question then is: How do we increase the pressure on her to speak up and address the issue at hand? Blogs, ringtones, jokes, letters from the House, rallies, forums all contribute but what else can we do? Perhaps we can convince foreign heads of state that she sucks up to so much to persuade her to talk. Can we convince the consuls/ambassadors of other countries? Perhaps by giving them a file containing the pertinent facts: first a certification of authenticity of the tapes, the tape itself, the transcript, the corroboration of the conversations by actual events in the places mentioned in the tape. Though this will appear one-sided, the aim is for gloria to talk because she must be held accountable to the people who pay her salary. just thinking out loud…..

Avatar

Naz

June 21st, 2005 at 6:53 am

hmm.. actully the rallies seem to be very quiet.. i guess there has been no organizing yet of such.. hmm.. i guess this is where some people say..”lahat salita, walang aksyon..” hmm.. (thats their opinion though, you can do things in many ways aside from rallies.. distributing cds and such.) Godbless and takecare!

Avatar

maria red

June 21st, 2005 at 2:57 pm

Isnt it that the human voice is DISTINCT like the DNA or the fingerprint? hey technology! anything you can do to positively identify if its really GMA’s voice????

somebody said that the Filipinos are “revolt fatigued” na daw…Is this the reason why everybody is quiet? (quiet ba?)

GMA’s silence maybe is because she is traumatised that everything can be “on the record” anywhere, anytime…or afraid that she is giving away more “voice samples…” that will match the “HELLO GARCI” ringtone… :-(

Avatar

rjamil

June 21st, 2005 at 11:45 pm

so this is it. why is it na ngaun lang nalaman ung pandadaya na yan?? after fpj past away, ngaun lang ibubunyag yang pandadaya na yan. well, it may be just made by one of the enemies of pgma. but if it is really true, what will happen next? kudeta? rally? impeach? who will be the one that will take place of the president’s place? is he or she the one for the job? so may wiretapping na pla sa pilipinas. hehe.

Avatar

masha

June 22nd, 2005 at 2:07 am

rjamil, i think common knowldege yung pandaraya sa mga nakaraang eleksyon pero ngayon lang may ebidensiyang lumabas sa media. marahil kaya di ito kaagad lumabas ay dahil ang may hawak nito ay ang isafp na ang bosing ay ang pangulo. sabi nagkagulo sa isafp, may nainis kaya inilabas ito.

by all means, protest. there’s one this friday organized by different groups. i would.

gma and her advisers seem to be living in a bubble. i’ve read that “fair-haried boy” mike d is one of the “doves”, and ex-generals/cabinet secs. are the “hawks”. the hawks are advising her to take a hardline/stonewalling stance. hence you see organized efforts in policing what they could regarding the tape and jueteng issue. i attribute that to the uncreative and disconnected (to the public pulse) mindset of her advisers/ex-generals (reyes, mendoza, ebdane). ebdane supposedly chaperoned garci to kl and garci is supposed to have met with gma in hk (a trip she didnt have to go to, at least not during these trying times).

i must say the supposed advise of her ex generals suits the very proud gma.

the constitution provides for a succession of leadership. and noli is next. we put the constitution in place so let’s follow it. lorens’ election protest is till pending vs noli. if she wins, then she gets to assume the presidency.

Avatar

opti

June 22nd, 2005 at 3:46 am





I think the rather weak show of numbers by those who feel infuriated by the ongoing Gloriagate scandal should not be construed as an indication that people would rather do something else than join protest rallies and abdicate their right to seek redress for grievances.

In the past three EDSAs, the culmination happened some time after the initial incident. For example, EDSA 1 tookplace in January 1986, three years after the death of Ninoy in 1983 which was the trigger. Similarly, EDSA 2 erupted four months after the “I Accuse” speech of then Senator Teofisto Guingona and the ensuing expose of whistleblower Chavit Sibngson. That was much shorter but like EDSA 1, needed some gestation. Same thing is true for the quelched, albeit brutally, EDSA 3 which was staged 7 straight days by Estrada supporters four months after their leader was unceremoniously dethroned.

The gap between the trigger and the resulting “revolution” differs in EDSA 1, 2 and 3. I think this is because Marcos in EDSA 1 was perceived as having an iron fist so that protesters were very cautious while Estrada in EDSA 2, probably trying to avoid the pitfalls of Marcos’ strongman approach, had a softer heart and allowed the crowds to pester him as much as they could, all the way to his ouster in just four months. Gloria in EDSA 3 probably learned from the lessons of Marcos and Estrada. She did not deal directly with the protesters to avoid negotiating inspite of the presence of her Cabinet during the siege in Malacanang. It appears that she had issued an order to disperse at all costs the huge EDSA 3 crowd (not sparse as reported by mainstream media; I was there personally all the days of EDSA 3 until the bloody dispersal on the last day, May 1, 2001, in Malacanang where 4 people died and scores hurt).

One common factor in all the past EDSAs was the emotional and sensational nature of the “triggers”. Consider these:

1. EDSA 1 – triggered by the death of Ninoy; brought to boiling point by the alleged cheating of President Marcos against rival Mrs.Cory Aquino;
2. EDSA 2 – triggered by the juetengate expose of Chavit Singson and brought to boiling point by the winning impeachment court vote of non-opening of the second envelope;
3. EDSA 3 – triggered by the ouster of President Estrada and brought to boiling point by the overkill arrest and the humiliating TV coverage of the fingerpinting and mugshot-taking of President Estrada in the PNP compound..

Now comes another set of triggers: juetengate 2 and the Gloriagate scandal. Surely, we will have to count weeks, months or even a year, may be years before the boling point is reached. As to when, my guess-timate is over a year since it will take some time for the Military and the PNP of Gloria to realize the folly of supporting her, very much like the situation of the Marcos Military and then PC in EDSA 1. I say this because I’ve been observing how Gloria takes advantage of the PNP and the Military’s loyalty to her to suppress civil liberties, successfully conditioning the minds of those who seek redress that standing up for one’s right through peceful assembly is futile and risky.

So those who may feel that the threat of unsitting Gloria is empty, you may be right for the moment but don’t celebrate yet since as history has repeatedly shown, God always comes in to deliver the coup de grace, WITHOUT NOTICE, while “His Filipino children silently deliver the coup de etat”. In the end, Gos alwayscome in to the rescue and solves the problem swiftly, totally and seamlessly. I hope Gloria sees it this same way so she won’t unduly inflict pain on herself and her countrymen by staying in office beyond God’s deadline.

If my estimate of over a year for Gloria’s ouster is proven too long, that will be a welcome defeat for me.

opti

Avatar

opti

June 22nd, 2005 at 3:48 am

I think the rather weak show of numbers by those who feel infuriated by the ongoing Gloriagate scandal should not be construed as an indication that people would rather do something else than join protest rallies and abdicate their right to seek redress for grievances.

In the past three EDSAs, the culmination happened some time after the initial incident. For example, EDSA 1 tookplace in January 1986, three years after the death of Ninoy in 1983 which was the trigger. Similarly, EDSA 2 erupted four months after the “I Accuse” speech of then Senator Teofisto Guingona and the ensuing expose of whistleblower Chavit Sibngson. That was much shorter but like EDSA 1, needed some gestation. Same thing is true for the quelched, albeit brutally, EDSA 3 which was staged 7 straight days by Estrada supporters four months after their leader was unceremoniously dethroned.

The gap between the trigger and the resulting “revolution” differs in EDSA 1, 2 and 3. I think this is because Marcos in EDSA 1 was perceived as having an iron fist so that protesters were very cautious while Estrada in EDSA 2, probably trying to avoid the pitfalls of Marcos’ strongman approach, had a softer heart and allowed the crowds to pester him as much as they could, all the way to his ouster in just four months. Gloria in EDSA 3 probably learned from the lessons of Marcos and Estrada. She did not deal directly with the protesters to avoid negotiating inspite of the presence of her Cabinet during the siege in Malacanang. It appears that she had issued an order to disperse at all costs the huge EDSA 3 crowd (not sparse as reported by mainstream media; I was there personally all the days of EDSA 3 until the bloody dispersal on the last day, May 1, 2001, in Malacanang where 4 people died and scores hurt).

One common factor in all the past EDSAs was the emotional and sensational nature of the “triggers”. Consider these:

1. EDSA 1 – triggered by the death of Ninoy; brought to boiling point by the alleged cheating of President Marcos against rival Mrs.Cory Aquino;
2. EDSA 2 – triggered by the juetengate expose of Chavit Singson and brought to boiling point by the winning impeachment court vote of non-opening of the second envelope;
3. EDSA 3 – triggered by the ouster of President Estrada and brought to boiling point by the overkill arrest and the humiliating TV coverage of the fingerpinting and mugshot-taking of President Estrada in the PNP compound..

Now comes another set of triggers: juetengate 2 and the Gloriagate scandal. Surely, we will have to count weeks, months or even a year, may be years before the boling point is reached. As to when, my guess-timate is over a year since it will take some time for the Military and the PNP of Gloria to realize the folly of supporting her, very much like the situation of the Marcos Military and then PC in EDSA 1. I say this because I’ve been observing how Gloria takes advantage of the PNP and the Military’s loyalty to her to suppress civil liberties, successfully conditioning the minds of those who seek redress that standing up for one’s right through peceful assembly is futile and risky.

So those who may feel that the threat of unsitting Gloria is empty, you may be right for the moment but don’t celebrate yet since as history has repeatedly shown, God always comes in to deliver the coup de grace, WITHOUT NOTICE, while “His Filipino children silently deliver the coup de etat”. In the end, Gos alwayscome in to the rescue and solves the problem swiftly, totally and seamlessly. I hope Gloria sees it this same way so she won’t unduly inflict pain on herself and her countrymen by staying in office beyond God’s deadline.

If my estimate of over a year for Gloria’s ouster is proven too long, that will be a welcome defeat for me.

g3

Avatar

almondreign22

June 22nd, 2005 at 9:17 am

I think mahihirapan pababain si Gloria sa pwesto nya kasi once na bumamaba sya she’s going to face everything at baka makulong pa ang buong family nya, immagine there’s Jose Pidal issue, jueteng issue and worst of all ung pandaraya sa election. In fairness ang tigas talaga ng mukha nya at nagawa pa nyang irampa ang sarili nya abroad, gosh what a shame. Kung malinis ang conscience nya she should face the people and deny that she’s not not the on the tape.

Avatar

pleigh

June 22nd, 2005 at 4:37 pm

i think the best way for her to speak is, yes, the pressure from foreign leaders….i mean, how foreign leaders believe that our country is a good place for them to invest when her mandate is in question by her people(her people???)sabi nga nila, love your own…how can you love and embrace others when you do not love your own(refering to fili[pinos)don’t say you love filipinos, because if you say that, you already have commented on the GLORIAgate scandal….instead, you kept silent….hmmm…mukhang guilty..

Avatar

SALUDEZ

June 23rd, 2005 at 2:03 pm

Napakaganda ng sinulat ni ALICEUNDERTHESTAIRS!!!God Bless you!!! Sana dumami pa ang katulad mo para tuluyan ng makunsiyensa si FAKE PRESIDENT-gma(maliit ang pangalan dahil BANSOOOOOT NAMAN). Ginagamit pa niya ang pagkamatay ni Cardinal Sin para daw mag unite! Kaya mga nagnyari kay Cardinal Sin iyon dahil na pawalang bisa ang mga ginawa niya mula sa EDSA 1 & 2.
Habaan mo na ang dasal mo BANSOOOT at nalalapit na ang iyong pagiibang bansa-kung may tatanggap sa iyo —.
Pati si Bishop Cruz ginagawan nila ng masamang issue na kesyo inabuso daw niya ang isang lalaki nung panahon. ang laki siguro ang ibinayad sa mamang naninira kay bishop Cruz. Magkaisa tayong Pilipino at patalsikin natin lahat ang mga masasamang elemento ng ADMINISTRATION NI GMA.
My fellow Cebuanos, let us unite and unseat this demonic gma. Do you believe that FPJ only got 100,000+ votes in the entire Visayan region? Please let us wake up!!!
Hanggang sa muli
ZEDULAS

Avatar

magbobote

June 24th, 2005 at 2:46 am

Download the 3 hour tape and paguia tape

http://www.defensive-thinking.com

Avatar

alb3ar

June 27th, 2005 at 9:49 am

http://www.rjerrard.co.uk/law/cases/khan.htm

Covert listening device evidence admissible in criminal trial, R v Sang applied.

THE DECISION

In a criminal trial, evidence as to the terms of tape recorded conversations obtained by means of an electronic listening device attached by the police to a private house without the knowledge of the owners or occupiers was admissible against the defendant.

This may be an eye opener to Senator Miriam Santiago….

Avatar

OpTiMized

June 29th, 2005 at 9:05 am

I firmly believe that GMA did cheat in the past elections. She is in a double edge situation even though she admits it or not , her moral ascendency has been corrupted. The international community has lost faith in her. A small incident would escalate eventually overthrow her , because one mistake of the country would be directed at her immediately and be blamed for her cheating in the elections. She will have to resign because of shame. She might lead the country as a lame duck president as some senate staff told me.

Avatar

xena

June 30th, 2005 at 8:02 pm

jay
wala na atang taong qualified maging presidente kasi lahat ng politico walang dangal. yung mga ordinaryong mamamayan marahil may matatagpuan pa tayong may dangal…kaya lang mahihirapan tayo kasi madami yun e.(kasama tayong 2 don) : )

Avatar

xena

July 3rd, 2005 at 11:13 am

LAHAT ng mga PRESIDENTE kaya SILA NALUKLOK kasi NAG CHEAT sila.NILALAHAT ko na SILA….SI fidel RAMOS, erap ESTRADA, at gloria ARROYO.MANANALO ba naman SILA kung hindi NANDAYA? ang MASASABI ko lang ay “PANA-PANAHON LANG YAN”… kaya hayaan na natin sila, KUNG SINO ANG MAY POWER cya ang WINNER!!!DARATING din ang panahon nila NOLI, LOREN at LACSON…DI lang NATIN alam kung SINO sa kanila ANG mauunang MANDAYA.

Avatar

INSIDE PCIJ: Stories behind our stories » There’s really only one tape

July 7th, 2005 at 6:39 pm

[…] Tatad, meanwhile, had comissioned Ernst F. S. Alexanderson, president of Voice Identification Inc., a company based in New Jersey in the United States. A certified voiceprint examiner, Alexanderson, is said to have analyzed about 250 cases involving voiceprint comparison and trained about 100 law-enforcement personnel in voice identification.  He is regularly tapped as a court witness in the District of Columbia, and is listed in expertpages.com, the leading Internet directory on expert witnesses and consultants. […]

Avatar

Technick

July 12th, 2005 at 10:15 am

What most people (including a lot of scientists and engineers) don’t know is that the “voice” you send from a GSM cellphone is not even your voice at all but are signals for activating what can be described for laymen as an electronic version of a vocal cord, mouth, nasal cavity and diaphragm. This is very different from digital signals processed for audio CD’s, Ipods or MP3 files which are essentially the same audio signals only compressed with some losses. The GSM signal is more like a MIDI file than an MP3 file. Simply put, the voice you hear in a GSM cellphone comes from an electronic voice synthesizer much like the music you hear comes from a midi synthesizer. A distorted, noisy copy from a cheap worn out analog tape recorder has the original signals of the speaker and using modern technology can be used to scientifically identify the original person positively like a thumbmark. A very clear copy of a GSM conversation on the other hand, being mostly synthesized, is not a good source of voice identification. Being already synthesized, it is very easy to modify and fake.

References:

http://www.markus-hauenstein.de/sigpro/codec/codec.shtml

http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/gsm/degener.htm

http://people.qualcomm.com/karn/voicedemo/

http://www.esato.com/archive/t.php/t-86859

http://ccnga.uwaterloo.ca/~jscouria/GSM/gsmreport.html

http://www-mobile.ecs.soton.ac.uk/speech_codecs/hybrid.html

http://www-mobile.ecs.soton.ac.uk/speech_codecs/

http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/toast.html

Avatar

xena

July 13th, 2005 at 8:17 pm

Why do you want GMA to resign? Give a very good reason why she SHOULD resign..It’s very easy to say RESIGN… but after that, WHAT will happen? Haven’t you ALL thought ABOUT that? YOU all say it’s HER fault why our COUNTRY is SUFFERING…. Well, I think IT”S ONLY HER who could bring back GOOD IMAGE of our country … IF IT’s HER fault, then IT”S ONLY HER who could correct it… WHY let OTHER politicians correct what SHE HAS DONE??? WHY must NOLI, LACSON,LOREN,DRILON, or maybe SUSAN be the ONES to CORRECT whatever GMA did… IF YOU ASKED GMA to resign, YOU will be doing her A GOOD FAVOR!!! Ipapasa lang nya yung mga MALING GINAWA nya at ang mag suffer ay YUNG KAPALIT nya. SO DON”T EVER ever tell her to resign please!!! She has a lot of PENDING JOBS to do!!!! LET her DO it!!!! WHY Don;t you want HER to WORK?????? Pag TRABAHUHIN natin si GMA…..MATUTUWA pa nga sya pag nag resign sya e… so BAKIT nyo SYA gustong SUMAYA? PAHIRAPAN natin sya… AYUSIN nya ang mga kaatiwalian sa gobyerno!! Utusan natin sya na PAGBUTIHIN nya ang trabahao nya… Sige GLORIA !! Trabaho! trabaho!! wag KANG hihinto sa trabaho as PRESIDENT ha????Wag ka aabsent at WAG kang magkakasakit ha? BAWAKL MAGKASAKIT SA YO AT bawal kang MAgbakasyon… sige trabaho!! pagbutihin mo!!

Avatar

xena

July 14th, 2005 at 7:57 am

ANG TRABAHO ngayon ni GLORIA e IBALIK nya ang KATAHIMIKAN na GINULO nya. Kaya wag cya MAG resign… ano ganon ganon na lang????? Gagawa cya ng gulo TAPOS MAG re resign sya? Ayusin nya ang PILIPINAS..KASI walang makakaayos nyan kundi yung NANGGULO din.. Di kayang AYUSIN nila NOLI, DRILON a.k.a FMD,LOREN, at lalong lalo na si SWANIE…parang sa ating mga trabaho, di ba pag may nagkamaling empleado sa work nya sya ang nagaayos di naman pwede IBA KASI sya lang ang nakakaalam nun e. PARANG si GLORIA…. sya ang naggulo, kaya SYA ang magayos ng BAYAN natin. WAG SYA MAG RESIGN!!! Reverse PSYCHO lang nya yun KUNWARI AYAW nya mag resign pero sa TOTOO kang sukang suka na sya sa TRABAHO NYA as PRESIDENT…kaya dapat pahirapan natin sya… WAG natin sya alisin sa PWESTO nya…..AYUSIN NYA ang GULONG inumpisahan NYA

Avatar

xena

July 14th, 2005 at 8:03 am

ANG TRABAHO ngayon ni GLORIA e IBALIK nya ang KATAHIMIKAN na GINULO nya. Kaya wag cya MAG resign… ano ganon ganon na lang????? Gagawa cya ng gulo TAPOS MAG re resign sya? Ayusin nya ang PILIPINAS..KASI walang makakaayos nyan kundi yung NANGGULO din.. Di kayang AYUSIN nila NOLI, DRILON a.k.a FMD,LOREN, at lalong lalo na si SWANIE…parang sa ating mga trabaho, di ba pag may nagkamaling empleado sa work nya sya ang nagaayos di naman pwede IBA KASI sya lang ang nakakaalam nun e. PARANG si GLORIA…. sya ang naggulo, kaya SYA ang magayos ng BAYAN natin. WAG SYA MAG RESIGN!!! Reverse PSYCHO lang nya yun KUNWARI AYAW nya mag resign pero sa TOTOO kang sukang suka na sya sa TRABAHO NYA as PRESIDENT…kaya dapat pahirapan natin sya… WAG natin sya alisin sa PWESTO nya…..AYUSIN NYA ang GULONG inumpisahan NYA

Avatar

xena

July 15th, 2005 at 7:48 am

Dapat lang TAPUSIN ni GLORIA ang CONTRACT nya sa PILIPINAS till 2010. DI cya PWEDENg mag RESIGN marami pa SYANG dapat AYUSIN. WAG nyo sya bigyan ng DAHILAN para mag RESIGN. DI NYA pwedend ipasa sa IBA yung mga ginawa nyang kalokohan kasi SYA lang ang nakakaalam non E. REVERSE psycho lang yung sinasabi nya na AYAW nyang mag-RESIGN, pero sa TOTOO sukang suka na sya sa pagka PANGULO nya. WE ARE all doing her a FAVOR pag pinag resign natin sya. kaya HINI DAPAT!!! ANG DAPAT E PAHIRAPAN NATIN SYA………

ANG pagiging PANGULO ay isang PARUSA !!!! kaya dapat PARUSAHIN natin si GMA.. PANATALIIN SYA SA PWESTO !!!!!

Avatar

Pinoy OFW

July 15th, 2005 at 7:56 am

xena said,
July 15, 2005 @ 7:48 am

Dapat lang TAPUSIN ni GLORIA ang CONTRACT nya sa PILIPINAS till 2010. DI cya PWEDENg mag RESIGN marami pa SYANG dapat AYUSIN. WAG nyo sya bigyan ng DAHILAN para mag RESIGN. DI NYA pwedend ipasa sa IBA yung mga ginawa nyang kalokohan kasi SYA lang ang nakakaalam non E. REVERSE psycho lang yung sinasabi nya na AYAW nyang mag-RESIGN, pero sa TOTOO sukang suka na sya sa pagka PANGULO nya. WE ARE all doing her a FAVOR pag pinag resign natin sya. kaya HINI DAPAT!!! ANG DAPAT E PAHIRAPAN NATIN SYA………

ANG pagiging PANGULO ay isang PARUSA !!!! kaya dapat PARUSAHIN natin si GMA.. PANATALIIN SYA SA PWESTO !!!!!

(U) -%^$$*^&- (L) -&^&(&^- (O) -%&%&- (L)!!!!!

Avatar

junex

July 16th, 2005 at 11:46 am

dapat bang palitan? sino ang ipalit? eh di mas lalong magkagulo! isipin na lng natin na kung di nila kayang bantayan ang boto nila mas lalong di nila kayang protectahan ang kapakanan nating mga pilipino!

Avatar

Chihiro

July 16th, 2005 at 11:54 am

di ko gets yung sinasabi ni xena. TAYO ang pinaparusahan habang nandyan sya sa nakaw nyang pwesto.

Avatar

masha

July 16th, 2005 at 12:28 pm

fallacy yang statement na lalong gugulo kung aalis si gloria. yan ang gusto palabasin ng malacanang. simple lang pag alis niya si noli ang papalit in accordance with the constitution. if noli wants he can retain the managers that gma appointed, including the new ones, to continue what programs gma has started (IF theyre worthy of being continued). the transition could be peaceful and clean. kaso gma and her lackeys continue to dig in their heels and keep on muddling the issues.

kamo lalong gugulo kung patuloy magkakapit-tuko si gloria sa posisyong nakuha niya sa pandaraya. i hope she doesnt wait for people to get violent to oust her. hatred and disdain for her are gaining ground and pretty soon she wont be able to leave the confines of malacanang without a battalion of soldiers to make sure anyone fed up with her and her lies doesnt do her harm.

fallacy rin na si gma ay indispensable. she in fact chose noli as her vice, so that means she trusts him to become president should she be incapacitated to do so.

Avatar

masha

July 16th, 2005 at 12:34 pm

whatever erap’s faults are, i believe he didnt need to and did not cheat to become president.

ang taong nandaya para makaupo sa pagiging pangulo ay walang contrata sa taong bayan.

gma’s motivation to stay in power is pride. pahiyang pahiya na siya sa taong bayan sa pagkakahuli sa kanya sa hello garci tapes. pag nag resign siya wala na siyang mukhang maihaharap sa buong mundo. sa ngayon nagpapanggap pa siyang kaya niyang salbahin ang reputasyon niya by staying put.

Avatar

villaruel

July 16th, 2005 at 12:41 pm

i pity phils. those who do not pay taxes can still vote. dapat ang mga nagbabayad lang ng taxes ang pwedeng bumoto.
i pity phils for having many politicians na puro self interest lang. si chavit singson, kapit tuko sa gov’t dahil nakikinabang siya.remember when he dared sa TV si GMA na kakalas siya ngsuporta kapag pinayagan si erap na magpagamot sa HK? sino ba siya at para takutin niya si GMA ng ganun? may tinatago ba si GMA na dapat matakot si GMA sa knya? anong nangyari dun sa sinabi niya na isang bayong na halaga ng pera na hindi tumugma sa halaga ng kineclaim niya na hinatid daw kay ERAP. puro siya kagaguhan. walang magkakainterest napatayin siya. dahil PATAY NA ANG KALULUWA NIYA SA IMPYERNO. ngayon palang sunong na ang kaluluwa ni chavit. maging sikat man siya dito sa pinas, INAANTAY NA SIYA NI SATANAS. kunsabay wala naman atang DIYOS yan nakinatatakutan kaya kung ano ano nalang ang kanyang pinagsasabi. hangad ko pa din na magisip ang mga politicians natin ng hindi pansariling interest lamang. masarap ang mabuhay ng tahimik.bakit hindi magself-sacrifice ang mga politician na gumagatas ng kaban ng bayan?

ganun nlang ba? umalis si mike arroyo at FG? ganun na lang ba yun? alam niyo, nakakasawa na talaga dito sa pinas. nakakaawa at pinagtatawanan tayo.ako nagaaply ng pumunta ng canada. wala akong nakikitang future ng magiging anak ko dito sa pinas. ano ang ginagawa ng gobyerno? mabuti pa sa USA kapag nawalan ka ng trabaho may pensyon ka makukuha sa gov’t. e dito, asan ang pensyon kapag nawalan ka ng work?yung SSS na kapirangot lang ang makukuha mo? tapos yung binabayad natin sa tax di alam kung ano ba pakinabang natin dun?

Comment Form