Pro-impeachment congressmen “penalized”

what do remulla, reyes and rosales expects? congress is ruled by numbers. and by politicians who are actively protecting their interests.

What’s Remulla et al are complaining about? Did he expect the dominant party to pin a medal on each of them for the good job they did at the impeachment? Surely, he would have kicked asses too if he were in their place. But, I’m holding Remulla, Escudero and Cayetano, to their solemn promise to bring Gloria to justice when ever she steps down or in the event she is able to finish her term. If you do not, then you are just like the rest of the good-for-nothing unprincipled politicians.

malacanang’s moves are already expected. why complain? unless you are expecting some medals and trophies for bullying them. it’s payback time, guys!

teka, teka, teka….

si rosales, pina-atras ni abante? what will abante do? forward the suppresive EOs of mrs. arroyo? naks naman ah?

I don’t think Remulla was complaining. He just want people to know the obvious. The house of the representative can be bought (Fertilizer para kay GMA). It was obvious to a lot of people that GMA used her power and the people’s money to rigged the election. She is devious because even people who didn’t vote ended up voting for her and at the same financed her campaign and that of her cronies. EVAT ang kabayaran ng eleksiyon 2004. Philippines will be doomed further pag nagkaroon ng charter change. We should get rid of those institutions that are being used by the goverment to funnel money to their personal banks.Get rid of the Congress, hindi na sila mapagkakatiwalaan. As expected, they are positioning themselves to protect Garcillano, now that he is going to come out. Naplantsa na ni Arrovo si JDV.

You are right schumey, dapat ilagay sa batas natin na pwede ang wiretapped evidence against government officials, and siguro also against serious crimes. Para matakot ang mga criminal minds.

These 4 congressmen are now part of the minority but still they want the committee chairmanships given to them by the majority.

Goodness gracious! Talk about opportunists! Real opportunists!

schumey and luzviminda,

while desirable, legalizing wiretapping could be dangerous too. if it becomes legal, those with brilliant minds but with criminal intent can easily take advantage of that law with the help of course of advances in technology. soon after, kidnapping and other crimes would go up. this would be much worse than identity thefts experienced in the first world countries.

and most likely, human rights advocates and other who value their own privacy would strongly object it thinking that govt would eventually use it against its citizens. probably the same objection when the national id system was first proposed.

besides, the cost in implementing this, even limited to govt offices would be enormous.

Gloria probably thought no body would dare tap the president’s conversation. It was not her phone that was tapped but Garci’s celfone and that’s how their conversations were recorded. And the one who did it reportedly made a cool 2 million bucks. The question begging for an answer is who paid for it. Some say that guy in Tanay.

Heads of states usually use scramblers when making phone calls so no eavesdroppers or tappers could listen in. I wonder why Gloria does not have one.

Legalize wire-tapping? ha!?!?!
Be careful guys. There are communist spokespersons in this blog and you could be accused of being rightists and ultra-rightists, and marked for assasination by the sparrow units and armed city partisans of the NPA, harharhar!

Creo que, i think that, they saw this coming. but still this pro-impeachment congressman who belonged to the ruling coalition still pursued the fight of “justice”.

i call it the fight of justice because as “stating the obvious” the crooks will always use the big hook. and that big hook is the millions being paid to the anti-impeachment congressman who readily accepted the money in exchange of honor. well, i doubt that they ever had honor.
they don’t even understand the moral significance of having an elected president rather than having a cheating president.

its easy to sworn in a president. its easy to deny a petition of a housewife of a “gone” man. its easy to say democracy has been followed. its easy to say move on. its easy to say “give up”.

but its not easy to close a scandal. Unless it is properly closed.

NAKAKATUWA TALAGA ANG MGA PILIPINO KAHIT ANONG PAGHIHIRAP ANG DINADANAS NILA KAY ARROVO AY NAKUKUHA PA RIN MAG BIRO. BALIK NA RAW SI GARCI DAHIL KAILANGAN NG MGA ATHLETES NG P’NAS NA MANALO NG MARAMING GOLD. SI GARCI LANG DAW ANG MAKAKAGAWA NG DAYAAN.:( SI GARCI LANG DAW ANG KAILANGAN NI ARROVO PARA BUMANGO ANG PUWET NIYA AT MAIPAKITA NA ANG ADMINITRAYON NIYA ANG NAG PA SANAY SA MGA ATLETA. SI GARCI LANG ANG MARUNONG SA MGA PASIKOT SIKOT. TIYAK NA MARAMING GOLD ANG MAKUKUHA SA SEAGAME. BIRO LANG ITO AT SA TOTOO AY MAGALING NAMAN TALAGA ANG MGA ATLETA NATIN IYUN NGA LANG AY KULANG SA GAMIT AT PERA DAHIL NABUBULSA NG IBA.

jr_lad,
kunyari ka pa?!?!? andiyan na boss mo sa likod mo! harharhar… baka mahuli kang gumagamit ng computer at internet time ng opisina lagot ka! harharhar!
mukhang magaling ka talaga jr_lad! magaling sa kasinungalingan. sabi mo:
“bukod tangi ka talaga dahil ikaw lang ang hindi naniniwala na totoong boses ni glue-ria ang nasa “Hello Garci” tape. halos lahat ng mga bloggers dito kumbinsido na tunay na si glue-ria ang kausap ni garci sa tapes.”
unang-una, hanapin mo kaya dito sa buong pcij site kung kailan ko sinabi yun. ang sinabi ko i believe that Gloria Macapagal Arroyo won the election fair and square, and there are scientific evidences na magpapatunay.
ikalawa, there are also other kindred spirits here who favor the rule of law.
I still maintain that any person is presumed innocent until proven otherwise… and, if i may add, beyong reasonable doubt!
And this applies to all of us. Bobo!

Ang sinabi mo, si Roco ang the best president the country never had. Sinungaling ka talaga!

Teka, ano yung “broasted chicken”? bagong luto ba ng manok yun? harharhar!

Btw, yung Partido ABS-CBN, hanapin mo sa PCIJ site. Featured yun nung isang taon.
Yung kay Gilbert Remulla na tatakbong Senador hindi tsismis yun! Totoo yun! Inanunsyo na nila pati yung pagbebenta ng ari-arian sa abroad! Bobo! harharhar!

So what if Gilbert Remulla is replaced as chairman of the House Committee on Public Information!?!?
May nawala ba sa atin? Wala!
Sa mga Remulla maraming mawawala! Mawawala ang pondong kinikita ni Remulla bilang chairman ng CPI. Mawawala ang oportunidad niyang magsalita ng magsalita at mapublish sa newspapers or mainterview sa telebisyon nang libre. Hihina ang kanyang planong magkampanya para maging senador.
On the other hand, mawawalan ng oportunidad ang mga Remulla na palawakin ang kanilang ari-arian. Malaki ang kanilang na landgrab na mga lupain sa Cavite. Ngayon gusto nila pati sa buong bansa na!?!? Ano naman sila siniswerte!?!?!?!
Mawawalan rin ng kandidatong senador ang Partido ABS-CBN sa susunod na eleksyon, harharhar!
Yung Akbayan at Bayad Muna este Bayan Muna pala, hindi rin kawalan para sa atin yun!
Kayo naman. Alam nyo naman na these organizations are merely front organizations — Bayan Muna of the CPP and Akbayan of the Marxist-Leninist Group.

For the information of all, the other House Committee Chairmen did not agree to the draft report prepared by Gilbert Remulla’s former committee. The same chairmen also made mention of their findings that there were deliberate plots to topple-down the Arroyo administration.

kapatid (d fake and d napakasinungaling)!

Remember the movie “Meet Joe Black”? the woman there said to joe, “I really like you a lot”. that’s what I want to say to you kapatid. i really really like you a lot! dahil napatunayan ko na naman kung gaano ka KASINUNGALING!

you’re daring me to prove kung gaano ka KASINUNGALING? BIG MISTAKE! yun ang pagkakamali mo dahi matalas ang memorya ko.

1) Sinabi mo sa itaas where in this blog did you say na hindi tunay ang “hello garci” tape? heto ang link at ang sinabi mo. basahin mo at ipaliwanag kung ano ang ibig mong sabihin.

http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=434#comment-13994

kapatiran said,
October 13, 2005 @ 8:48 pm

jr_lad,
Garci tapes? “yung dagdag, yung dagdag” ba kamo?
I believe it’s been proven by TECHNICAL EXPERTS as TAMPERED!
PERCEPTION is really VERY DIFFERENT from REALITY.

Tell me kapatid what did you mean by that? strike 1

2) “Ang sinabi mo, si Roco ang the best president the country never had. Sinungaling ka talaga!”

Here’s here’s the link to my previous post kapatid (it was an exchange with kaveneshi):

http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=434#comment-14396

jr_lad said,
October 20, 2005 @ 2:38 pm

ok kavenishi, we should leave it at that. when i say your true motive is, i’m referring to your stance. but it doesn’t matter. we are here to express our opinion. and though they may differ, we should respect each other’s view. anyway, we did agree on one thing. we voted for the same person on the last election. so peace.

kavenishi said,
October 20, 2005 @ 3:08 pm

thanks jr_lad. just what you’ve said we should leave it at that. anyway we have something in common, we believe on the visions and principles of the late sen. Raul Roco. Nice exchanging views with you bro.

jr_lad said,
October 20, 2005 @ 3:42 pm

ROCO IS THE BEST AMONG THE REST. an honorable man. but he was not given a chance. just like haydee yorac. it’s a pity. nice exchange too.

strike 2! now, sino ang sinungaling sa atin kapatid? Kainin mo kaya ang sinabi mo? Hindi ka lang SINUNGALING, BOBO ka pa at ULYANIN!

ibibitin muna kita sa strike 3. :)… pero hindi lang strike 3 ang aabutin mo sa akin. BOBO! hindi ka nag-iisip talaga. pinapahamak mo ang sarili mo sa mga motherhood statements mo.

paano mo pa ako mapaniwala about remulla and abs-cbn at sa mga iba pang sinasabi mo? at ano naman ang paki natin kung tumakbo man siyang senador or even president? ikaw puede ka ring tumakbo kung gusto mo eh… huwag lang ala GARCI.

abangan hindi pa ako tapos sa yo!

Kawawa ka naman talaga jr_lad! Youn don’t even know the finer points from generalizations!

Di mo kayang maintindihan yung difference ng Garci talking with the President, and the “yung dagdag, yung dagdag” ba kamo?
I believe it’s been proven by TECHNICAL EXPERTS as TAMPERED!
PERCEPTION is really VERY DIFFERENT from REALITY.” Aba eh, magpatingin ka kaya sa shrink! harharhar! Bobo!

At sinungaling ka talaga!

Sa iyong pag-amin na rin, ang sabi mo, “Roco was the best among the rest.” Wow!!!!!! What an ASSertion! BOBO!

jr_lad,

sabi mo “honorable man” si roco, harharhar!
harharhar talaga!
kilala mo ba siya nung buhay pa? nakausap mo? nakasama mo? nakatrabaho mo?
harharhar! kawawa ka naman! di mo alam ang sinasabi mo!

jr_lad,
Dakdak ka ng dakdak diyan eh yung idol mo na si Roco tinanggap niya na si GMA ang panalo sa 2004 presidential election!

Sabi nung idol mong si Roco, “At 3:57 this afternoon, I congratulated Mrs. Arroyo for the mandate she has received from the people as indicated by published results.”

Sabi pa ni Roco, “She’s winning in all published reports and we must congratulate the winner.”

Harharhar! Bobo ka talaga!

Kapatiran, totoo ang sinabi mo about roco conceding in the last election, tinanggap niya agad ang pagkatalo niya kay PGMA that time. But at that time wala pa naman ang garci tape di ba, wala pang matibay na ebidensya na nandaya nga si PGMA. Iba ang sitwasyun noon at ngayon, I’m sure if sen. roco is still alive today isa rin siya sa bumabatikos kay PGMA ngayon. pls. give respect to the late sen. roco kapatiran, kung may nagawa man siyang pagkakamali, siguro naman marami din siyang naitulong sa bayan nung senator at education secretary pa siya. and besides patay na yung tao, wag na ninyong idamay pa sa bangayan niyo ni jr_lad. Pasensya na kapatiran, i feel i need to defend sen, roco coz i believe also Roco ang the best president the country never had. kung di ka naniniwala at ayaw mo sa kanya so be it, period. Patay na yung tao hindi na siya makakasagot sa mga pinagsasabi mo tungkol sa kanya, si jr_lad nalang ang awayin mo kung gusto mo, wag mo nang idamay pa si late sen. roco ok.

jr_lad,
wala dyan? harharhar! harharhar!
duwag ka lang! harharhar!

Let me quote from a Filipino in the United States:

“Congress should abolish laws that are not going to be followed. The efforts, time and money of taxpayers are wasted. We all look foolish, stupid and embarrassing around the world when even our highest leader can be subjected to such an abuse. It is even more embarrassing when we let people responsible get away with it. If we let this thing pass, Congress might just as well abolish the Anti-Wiretapping Law.

“While you’re at it, throw away the privacy law, too. Let anyone accuse anyone with illegally acquired evidence. Beat the crap out of a suspect for a confession or anyone you “suspect” of violating a “law.” Hold someone’s relative hostage till he confesses to a crime. Ransack anyone’s property without a court order, regardless of whether you find evidence of a crime or not, and then, in your own makeshift court, have a whole bunch of mobs as the judge, use appropriate semantics to confuse the audience on the legitimacy of the case, accept the evidence as true, and lynch the accused at Rizal Park. It would help if you have everyone in formal attire.

“The Anti-Wiretapping Law is more than what it appears to be. It is a law on privacy, and on reliability of evidence…”

Kapatiran,
I understand your point and also Jr_lad. Ok i stand corrected on my statement, and i agree with toro’s statement about the late sen roco, “Let’s just say Roco could have been one of the best Presidents the country never had.” I hope this will be more accurate statement.
About the garci issue, i’ve already said on the other topic (welcome back, garci) just what you’ve said. Let’s give garci first the benefit of the doubt. Let’s pressummed him innocent until proven guilty if possible. Let him finished first deliver and confess to us his masterpiece script. After that if we think he is lying, then that time let’s give him the final blow, we can give him all the doubts in this world after he finished to tell us his side of the story.

hey guys, this page is supposed to discuss the claim that GMA/ malacanang/ GMA-affiliates are “punishing” pro-impeachment congressmen by stripping them of their statures as committee chairs.

muaddib, baycas, and toro all astutely point out that such a move should not be treated as unexpected.

toro: “What’s Remulla et al are complaining about? Did he expect the dominant party to pin a medal on each of them for the good job they did at the impeachment? Surely, he would have kicked asses too if he were in their place.”

baycas: “malacañang’s FORESIGHT is way too far ahead. ‘to the victors the spoils,’ sums up my comment on this blogpost.”

muaddib: “As in chess, good move Malacanang… Who puts his pawns on the best positions wins.”

whether or not the administration’s claim that these pro-impeachment congressmen were removed from their chairs was part of a long-since-planned reorganization is true or not, this episode is merely one of the many power plays that go on in philippine politics.

and the ultimate stake in this game of power is dominion over 85 million people. i wonder when this group will say, “we have had enough of your games… piss off!” (especially with the apathy that seems to pervade their collective psyche)?

For me, when I first saw Remulla in the early meetings of the joint-committee probe and as i observed, i thought he was very effective and competent. Not knowing what side or not even thinking what side he was in, I can say this kid has talent.(That was the first house hearing i have watched in my life.forgive my lack of knowledge or ignorance, but i don’t watch the news before because it is depressing. although i watched a few parts of estrada’s impeachment in the senate. I only started to watch the news more when the garci tape broke out and when i was inspired by my pol sci class to know more about our country’s government)… i was glad also that a young person can handle it very well-that there was a place for them in congress.I did not even know what side he was in-admin or opposition. (and yep, that’s when i even knew of the existence of an opposition.) Later when I found out he is an admin congressman, I was happy coz that time i was pro-gloria…but not that that matters because remulla was fair as chair to everyone. The whole time I believe he was fair and objective to the admin and opposition. He just followed the procedure. He did his job- and well, at that. sa akin, enthusiastic din cya and always smiling. respectful to elders no matter which side of the fence and respectable.and sa probe kinareer talaga niya. and that was impressive to me as opposed to a lax or …not-so-into-it chairman.just how he handled the probe was impressive and without making or saying any statement about himself or any self-serving grandstanding speech
,where is the campaigning there? and sorry but never thought of him as a power-grabber. if anything, he was not part of the noise. kung interviewhin, he would so gracefully subtly reserve comments and talk about what is going to happen. naturally, he is chair.when he was chair, he was not tainted much with any political side. not opposition, and not just following everythin the admin seems to want(impeachment) he just seems to be outside of the two sides as all the chairmen should be. I may not know much about politics…but when i saw how he handled evryone no matter which side of the fence fairly and with enthusiasm just thought lang that maybe the admin and opposition really can get along. there is hope.Opposed to those I hear who have done nothing in their jobs in government and those who seem to enjoy and get a free ride and are incompetent, I think remulla did a good job as chairman. And regardless of politics, I was very proud of his performance.I do believe that it is a loss. In my personal view, he was a competent lader and an objective chairman and he showed good service during his chairmanship of this garci probe. Leadership-wise and also when he called for the resignation of those who allegedly let Garci slip out of the country(if ever true).For me, I am grateful for a great job of Rep. Gilbert Remulla.

And also from the beginning, I am pro-gloria. I can say that when the tape came out, I refused to believe it. I said “That is beneath her.” But I believe in impeachment because I think we should hear both sides of the story, and make a judgment after that(impeachment court). It’s like that line “one should not be condemned before being heard”. If Glora IS innocent, good. Why? Coz I like her. I voted for her. (Although …if she had not run,like she did say before, I would have proudly voted for ROCO.In my ballot, I put Gloria’s name, erased it, put ROCO, then Gloria again, then ROCO, then Gloria. To put it on record to those who counted the votes that I was really confused. I also must add that FPJ and Gloria had a close fight, and because I wanted Gloria to win I voted for the latter….If it was a close fight between Gloria and Roco, I would vote and pray that Roco wins. )..SO I believe in my heart that Remulla and the others did believe that the two sides of the story should be heard. Because that’s the way it should be.Ok, i think. But really, if someone is accused of something bad or of a crime, you must have to investigate and hear both sides of the story before coming to a conclusive judgment, right? That’s why suspected murderers still have a right to a fair trial,the right to remain silent, and a right to an attorney, because even if the knife is in their hands, they could have been set up.They could have been drugged, put to sleep and the knife was planted in their hands…That is why I did not right away choose to believe the accusations against Gloria because YES, THE TAPE COULD BE FAKE. What if the tape was fake and the Filipino people would hear parts of the tape on TV or get it somewhere, and be convinced that it is true, they would go out on the streets and successfully oust PGMA. Even if it’s not true! That’s why there should be an investigation. To see if there is a reason to call for Gloria’s ouster in the first place and to find out who came up with these tapes. Oh, I also do not think Remulla is complaining. But if he was(though i don’t think he was), then I would understand coz I am complaining about why competent people are sacked because they believe in the due process of impeachment when PGMA said herself “Bring your grievances to congress” and “rule of law” and “due process”. And in some of our roads before there was a banner “We HEART Gloria. YES to DUE PROCESS” Yes, I do love gloria as president(before this garci thing and at that time).I always thought the “due process” term meant something fair-like also a fair trial. Is it fair ba to say “Gloria is innocent-period.” Or “Gloria is guilty-period.” Or isn’t it fair to hear both sides of the story and let us find out if she is innocent or guilty? That was why I also did not join rallies in the beginning to call for GMA’s ouster because she deserves a fair trial and a chance to defend herself. So why is this a reason to sack those who voted for the impeachment? This would lead me to believe that she is either hiding something, or is guilty. Or, if she is innocent, does not want to waste time and money for a probe and a trial and thinks these false allegations should be ignored.

But if she is innocent anyway, she must understand why people would want to have an impeachment trial because the reality is, people’s trust in her has shaken. (but i am aware of other power-grabbing people)And “public office is a public trust”. So investigate….coz if she is really innocent and the elections were fair, then the truth must prevail. Coz if the opposition is making this up, they should be also put to justice for making this mess.
also one time my little brother said after watching news about garci “hey, gloria is guilty” and looked at me in a slightly teasing way because i kept on insisting that she is not…or something like let’s get to the bottom of things…so i replied “Don’t judge right away. That’s why there should be a trial before you judge someone.” and i told him about the murderer who was set up scenario….

so about the house reorganization, i am mad and disgusted because remulla and the others’ votes were reasonable and understandable for me…. the committees were investigating garci, di ba? there hasn’t been any conclusions at that time and there was more to investigate pa, garci was not found. remulla was the lead chair in investigating all this info.. and to just end it and kill it(as malacanang said it is dead and that’s what they want), without getting to the truth and hearing all the sides of the story, then there’s something wrong there.also he was the chair of the committee on public information… It would be logical to think the public has the right to know if the president cheated or was set up.To kill the issue by dismissing the complaint… or making those EOs..people would be curious.