ALTHOUGH majority of Filipinos remain hopeful about the country, the number of those who feel the Philippines is a hopeless case has substantially leapt from 11 percent last July to 23 percent in October of this year, the latest Pulse Asia survey showed.

The number of Filipinos who expressed an intention to migrate has also risen from 26 percent to 33 percent over the same period. The sentiment is expressed chiefly by the urbanites, class ABC, the 18- to 24-year-olds and those with some college preparation or completed college.

The October 2005 levels for hopelessness and intention to migrate are the highest figures recorded for the two series since these were started in 2002, according to Pulse Asia.

With Christmas a few weeks away, only two in 10 Filipinos say the coming holiday season will be more prosperous for their family compared to last year.

However, seven in every 10 still look forward to the new year with hope.

Pulse Asia administered the survey to 1,200 adult respondents from Oct. 15 to 27. Read the full text of the survey results.

44 Responses to More Pinoys feel hopeless, want to migrate — Pulse Asia

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Chabeli

December 1st, 2005 at 12:02 am

The desire to seek greener pastures and get out of a country that seems to be full of smut (i.e., politicians) and a stench that is slowly becoming unbreable…what seems to be the best option really? LEAVE.

There is also that option to help the country–however, it doesn’t sound realistic, in fact, it may seem like a naive idea! Maybe, we should love the country more, and maybe, we can start with ourselves…Yet, the reality we are faced with today seems to be as though there are more “bad” elements surrounding us and the chances of succeeding seems slim.

It seems that those who opt to remain in the Philippines either have no choice, have interests to protect, or are “transactional politicians.” Nothing of which have anything to do with love of country. It is sad because by nature Filipinos are loving people; and so we end up loving other countries rather than our own. Although not a fault of Filipinos, it is the result of our POLITICS; and those who should be BLAMED are majority of out POLITICIANS–have any of them done anything to make us love the Philippines?

Sigh* People Power gave birth to love of country…but what happened?

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koj

December 1st, 2005 at 1:03 am

the desire to seek greener pastures abroad, at least to some able and qualified professionals, i believe is not equatable at all to one’s love of country. on the other hand it is within the confines of ones interest in self upliftment, the desire to have a prosperous life, better food at the table, better clothing, etc.

when one is given the opportunity to work for the same amount of labor but with better pay, security, environment and comfort, who wouldn’t grab that chance. it is therefore, not hopelessness nor the absence of love of country that encourages or push people to take their chances overseas. it’s only people taking risks with their lives.

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floyd

December 1st, 2005 at 4:16 am

hmmm….. di pa naman siguro lahat gustong umalis ng bansa…
LAHAT LAHAT LANG!!!!! nyahahahaha
nakkasawa na kasi eh
paulit-ulit
lagi na lang ganun ang nangyayari sa mga eleksyon
lagi na lang dumadami ang mahihirap
lagi na lang tayong ni-rarape ng mga amerikano
lagi na lang tayong ginugutom ng sarili nating gobyerno
lagi na lang tayo ninanakawan ng sarili nating mga kababayan

kung matino kang tao titira ka pa rin ba sa bansang katulad ng bansa natin?

siguro OO
siguro hindi

pero basta paulit-ulit na nangyayari ang mga bagay na to
paulit-ulit din tayong mag-isip na sana mag-iba naman ang sistema
at kung walang nangyayari sa mga dinadasal natin
eh di alis na lang tayo kesa maging adik ang mga anak natin o masaksak dahil cute yung cellfone nya.

sarap isagot sa survey na hindi ako aalis
kasi mahal ko yung Pinas
pero mas masarap din siguro isagot yung gusto kong umalis
kung may babalikan pakong Pinas.

eh pano yun hindi ka pa umaalis wala ka nang babalikan?

hmm… dapat maghanap sila ng survey na imbis magtanong kung ilan ang gustong umalis ng bansa
eh ano sana ang gustong solusyon ng tao para mapabuti ang buhay natin at ng mga anak natin.
tapos yung survey na yun isampal sa mukha ng gobyerno natin.

ayun may silbi ang survey APIR!

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ryebosco

December 1st, 2005 at 4:53 am

Revised National Anthem
by Rye Bosco

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Bayang magulo
‘di perlas ng Silanganan.
Arab o ‘cano
tayo’y naging chimoy.

Lupang hiniram,
duyan ka ng banyaga.
Nang gagahasa,
baboy damo daw siya.

Sa dagat at bundok,
ang simoy ay mabahong korupsyon.
May dilag ang bansa
ang ‘ngalan niya’y Imelda walang hiya.

Ang kislap ng ninakaw mo’y
tagumpay na nagniningning;
Ang binoboto natin sa
Kongreso, bansa nga magdidilim.

Lupa ng ayaw, natin, sa mga linta,
buhay impyerno ang bayan ko;
Aming ligaya, na pag may mang-aapi
patayin natin dahil sa iyo.

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tomas tinio

December 1st, 2005 at 6:27 am

Marami ngang gustong umalis pero hindi naman lahat kayang gawin yan. Isang pamangkin ko dalawang beses na sa Saudi. Yung huli, umuwi dahil nagkaroon ng terrorist attacks. Ngayon na-realize na hindi niya kayang kitain sa RP ang sinusuweldo niya sa Saudi. Isang taon nang nagsusumikap makabalik, wala pa ring mangyari kahit na mahusay ang performance niya bago umalis at sabi pa raw ng employer ay handang tanggapin siya uli kahit kailan gustong bumalik. Isa lang yan. E sang-katerba ang mga pamangkin ko. Exception lang itong may kakayahang mangibang-bayan. Yung karamihan e gutom na lang.

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Toro

December 1st, 2005 at 7:35 am

According to the survey the number of Filipinos who want to migrate has risen to 33 percent, chiefly by the urbanites, class ABC, the 18- to 24-year-olds.

The percentage of 33 percent is concentrated among urbanites of class ABC. This percentage will be greatly reduced if the non-urbanites, those in the provinces, were included.

This age bracket, 18-24, represents the majority of the young city people fresh from college who have ambitions to start their professional careers and their desire to leave to promote their career is understandable. We produce less than a million college graduates nationwide each year. Does that represent a third of the population?

To banner that 33 percent of all Filipinos or nearly 30 million people want out is misleading, not the least a fallacy.

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indio_lawless

December 1st, 2005 at 8:33 am

33% lang? :)

Kung sabagay sabi ng Pulse Asia their national survey has a 3% ( give or take) error margin.

But even without the survey, a considerable number of Filipinos are really inclined to migrate abroad particularly to Canada or Australia. While those who got a lesser option, opts to work for a menial job and even a menial pay abroad.

Why are Noypis illegally entering Malaysia for instance to particularly search for jobs ? Why are they leaving the country under the guise of being a tourist but with the real intent of pursuing a job in Italy or Spain ?

Even the politicos are sending their families aborad for “safe keeping” even before the Garci scandal or even before FVR’s time.

How many of these politicos are holder of green cards? of dual citizenship? of multiple visas?

There is a migration indeed. And for those who happened to have this “power” or “option”, they never failed to use this to the hilt.

But how about those who sold their only “fortune” like a carabao just to pay the placement fees? or succumb to illegal recruiters? or white slavery?

Migration, in essence, is a phenomenon that is loosely based on survival — the survival of the fittest.

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Myrna Padilla

December 1st, 2005 at 8:57 am

I agree that we Filipinos are known to be a loving people. And this is the reason why we want to leave our country and find for a job abroad so we could help our love ones as well as our country’s economy through our remittances.

If our country can provide a better job enough to live in a decent kind of living, I am sure no one wish to leave their families and our dear country. Why should we put our lives in to a risk?

We Filipinos don’t have a choice…”ta-ub na ang kaldiro” we cannot stand looking at the table not having enough food to eat especially if we have childrens.

Our small farmers and other small business sectors are affected with this WTO. If we do have small business we have to struggled to compete with the Capitalist and foriegn investors.

Politicians or Leader in our country should understand the pain and struggles that the OFW’s that they have to carry while they are away from their country and families. OFW’s are humiliated because of our menial job and our country’s reputation.

Changes for a better is what the always wish for. OFW’s contributions to Philippines economy should be recognize. Not just to be called Buhay na Bayani ….. what we OFW’s what we want is a good leader with a good heart for the poor people, act with a good values that we Filipinos should be proud of and advertise the truth not lies.

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jr_lad

December 1st, 2005 at 2:18 pm

this post is timely. i want to share the story below. don’t know who wrote this but… ang galing at tumatalab talaga…!!!

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iStORYA NG PUtA

Tingin ng mga bobong kapitbahay ko puta daw ako. Nagpapagamit,
binabayaran. Sabi nila ako daw ang pinakamaganda at pinakasikat sa
aming lugar noon. Ang bango-bango ko daw, sariwa at makinis. Di ko
nga alam kung sumpa ito, dahil dito naletse ang kinabukasan ko.

Halika at makinig ka muna sa kwento ko.

Alam mo, maraming lumapit sa akin, nagkagusto, naakit. Sikat ka sa
lahat, virgin eh! Tinanggap ko naman silang tao, bakit kaya nila
ako ginago? Masakit alalahanin, iniisip ko na lang na kase di sila
taga rito, siguro talagang ganoon. Tatlong malilibog na foreigners
ang namyesta sa katawan ko, na-rape daw ako?

Sa tatlong beses akong nagahasa, ang pinakahuli ang di ko
makakalimutan. Parang maski di ko ginusto ang mga nangyari,
hinahanap-hanap ko siya. Tinulungan nya kasi akong makalimutan yung
mga sadistang Hapon at Kastilaloy. Kase, ibang-iba ang hagod niya.
Umiikot ang mundo ko sa tuwing ginagamit niya ako. Ibang klase siya
mag-sorry, lalo pa at kinupkop niya ako at ang mga naging anak ko.

Parating ang dami naming regalo – may chocolates, yosi, at ano ka…
may datung pa! Nakakabaliw siya, alam kong ginagamit nya lang ako
pero pagamit naman ako nang pagamit. Sa kanya namin natutunan mag-
Ingles, di lang magsulat ha! Magbasa pa! Hanggang ngayon, sa tuwing
mabigat ang problema ko, siya ang tinatakbuhan ko. ‘Yun nga lang,
lahat ng bagay may kapalit. Nung kinasama ko siya, guminhawa buhay
namin. Sosyal na sosyal kami.

Ewan ko nga ba, akala ko napapamahal na ako sa kanya. Akala ko
tuloy-tuloy na kaligayahan namin, yun pala unti-unti niya akong
pinapatay. P*** ng I**! Sa dami ng lason na sinaksak niya sa
katawan ko, muntik na akong malaspag. Ang daming nagsabi na ang
tanga tanga ko. Patalsikin ko na daw. Sa tulong ng mga anak ko,
napalayas ko ang animal pero ang hirap magsimula.

Masyado na kaming nasanay sa sarap ng buhay na naranasan namin sa
kanya. Lubog na lubog pa kami sa utang, kulang ata pati kaluluwa
namin para ibayad sa mga inutang namin.

Sinikap naming lahat maging maganda ang buhay namin. Ayun, mga nasa
Japan, Hong Kong, Saudi ang mga anak ko. Yung iba nag-US, Europe.
Yung iba ayaw umalis sa akin. Halos lahat, wala naman silbi, masaya
daw sa piling ko, maski amoy usok ako.

Sa dami ng mga anak ko na nagsisikap na tulungan ang kalagayan
namin, siya din ang dami ng mga anak ko na namamantala sa kabuhayan
at kayaman na itinatabi ko para sa punyetang kinabukasan naming
lahat. Dumating ang panahon na di na kami halos makaahon sa hirap
ng buhay. Napakahirap dahil nasanay na kami sa ginhawa at sarap.

Ang di ko inaakala ay mismong mga anak ko, ang tuluyang sisira sa
akin. Napakasakit tanggapin na malinlang. Akala ko ay makakakita
ako ng magiging kasama sa buhay sa mga ahas na ipinakilala ng mga
anak ko. Hindi pala. Ang tanga ko talaga. Binugaw ako ng sarili
kong mga anak kapalit ng kwarta at pansamantalang ginhawa na nais
nilang matamasa.

Wala na akong nagawa dahil sa sobrang pagmamahal ko sa aking mga
anak. Wala akong ibang yaman kundi ganda ko. Pinagamit ko na lang
ng pinagamit ang sarili ko, basta maginhawa lang ang mga anak ko.

Usap-usapan ako ng mga kapitbahay ko. May nanghihinayang, namumuhi
at naaawa. Puta na kase ang isang magandang tulad ko.

Alam mo, gusto ko na sanang tumigil sa pagpuputa kaso ang laki
talaga ng letseng utang ko eh. Palaki pa ng palaki. Kulang na
kulang. Paano na lang ang mga anak ko naiwan sa aking punyetang
puder? Baka di na ako balikan o bisitahin ng mga nag-abroad kong
mga anak. Hindi na importante kung laspagin man ang ganda ko,
madama ko lang ang pagmamahal ng mga anak ko. Malaman nila na
gagawin ko ang lahat para sa kanila.

Sa tuwing titingin ako sa salamin, alam ko maganda pa rin ako.
Meron pa din ang bilib sa akin. Napapag usapan pa din. Sa tuwing
nakikita ko ang mukha ko sa salamin, nakikita ko ang mga anak ko.
Tutulo na lang ang mga luha ko ng di ko namamalayan. Ang gagaling
nga ng mga anak ko, namamayagpag kahit saan sila pumunta. Mahusay
sa kahit anong gawin. Tama man o mali. Proud ako sa kanila. Kaso
sila, kabaligtaran ang nararamdaman para sa akin.

Sa dami ng mga anak ko, iilan lang ang may malasakit sa akin. May
malasakit man, nahihilaw. Ni di nga ako kinikilalang ina. Halos
lahat sila galit sa isa’t isa. Walang gusto magtulungan,
naghihilahan pa. Ang dami ko ng pasakit na tiniis pero walang
sasakit pa nung sarili kong mga anak ang nagbugaw sa akin.
Kinapital ang laspag na ganda ko. Masyado silang nasanay sa sarap
ng buhay. Minsan sa pagtingin ko sa salamin, ni hindi ko na nga
kilala ang sarili ko.

Dadating na naman ang pasko, sana maalala naman ako ng mga anak ko.
Isang buwan pa, magbabagong taon na. Natatakot ako sa taong
darating. Ngayon pa lang usap usapan na ang susunod na pagbubugaw
ng ilan sa mga anak ko. Sana may magtanggol naman sa akin,
ipaglaban naman nila ako. Gusto kong isigaw: “INA NINYO AKO!
MAHALIN NYO NAMAN AKO!”

Salamat ha, pinakinggan mo ako.

Ay sorry, di ko pala nasabi pangalan ko.

PILIPINAS nga pala pangalan ko!

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jester-in-exile

December 1st, 2005 at 5:26 pm

“The number of Filipinos who expressed an intention to migrate has also risen from 26 percent to 33 percent over the same period. The sentiment is expressed chiefly by the urbanites, class ABC, the 18- to 24-year-olds and those with some college preparation or completed college.”

i’m an urbanite, i think i’m in class C, i’m 27, i’ve completed college, i’m single, but i guess i wasn’t one of those asked (must’ve been my age and/or civil status).

heck, even if i was asked, my answer would be that i’m more inclined to stay than to leave. that’s the same answer i’ve had since i started working and became a taxpayer (i.e., the minimum requirement for being a useful citizen, i should think).

perhaps i’m an oddity. i’ve been told that as being an engineer with a strong materials science background plus other skills (english, technical and journal writing, and others) i could be snapped up by some firm abroad, that these firms would offer me a paycheck at least ten times what i make here, and that these companies would take care of my immigration. with a gross monthly salary significantly below PhP 20k (yeah, that’s no joke), offers like that should turn my head.

but they don’t.

i don’t want to be an immigrant and take an oath to a country not mine. i am Pinoy; i’ll die Pinoy.

i don’t want to become one of those (former) Pinoys who damn my country but did nothing to better it while they lived here (on a business trip to the US two years ago i met one of those naturalized Americans — the fellow left ‘Pinas in his 30’s during the early ’80s — who kept on cursing ‘Pinas and Pinoys; he damn near bashed me in the face when i asked him, “fine, maybe that’s all true, but were you doing anything about it? what good were you doing the Philippines before you left?”).

though i respect them for their courage, i don’t want to be an OFW. i don’t want to have my remittances keeping the economy afloat while the government doesn’t do anything to improve my condition as well as that of my loved ones whom i’ve left behind. also, i don’t want to be an OFW because there are things that need to be fought for, and the battle is here; i know of OFWs who want to be involved in the fight for a better Philippines, but are frustrated because they think they can do little (i don’t agree with them, but i can see their point).

i am Pinoy. no way can i call myself that if i leave this country and swear allegiance to another. no way can i call myself that without being involved in efforts to fix what’s rotten in this country. no way can i call myself that if i damn this country, doing nothing constructive for the country in the meantime.

i may be one of the several million Pinoys who are underemployed and underpaid, but thus far i’ve proven that my principles, my nationality, and my loyalty are not for sale.

i don’t think there’ll be many who agree with this stand i’ve taken. one thing i know for sure, though: in my mind i will not call anybody Filipino who refuses to take part in the betterment of my country.

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jester-in-exile

December 1st, 2005 at 5:57 pm

chabeli,

“It seems that those who opt to remain in the Philippines either have no choice, have interests to protect, or are ‘transactional politicians.’ Nothing of which have anything to do with love of country.”

with all due respect, i’m not a politician, i’ve no interets to protect save being an honest citizen, and i have choices (a helluva lot). i choose to remain here because i choose to remain true to my beliefs.

“There is also that option to help the country–however, it doesn’t sound realistic, in fact, it may seem like a naive idea!”

maybe i am a naif, but heck, it beats being untrue to my ideals.

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tomas tinio

December 2nd, 2005 at 2:51 am

May your tribe increase, Jester.

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jester-in-exile

December 2nd, 2005 at 11:15 am

i hope so, tomas, but more than that, i hope that people who decide to stay (or leave, for that matter) do so for the right reasons.

there’s more to my point.

i’d like to see those who intend to leave and never return, swearing allegiance to perhaps the US, Canada, Australia, and so on, call themselves Americans, Canadians, Australians, or whatever else, and stop calling themselves Pinoy (i wouldn’t even go as far as accepting Fil-Am, or Fil-Canadian or whatever; either one is Filipino or not).

i’d like to see those who’ve given up hope in this country and its people, heaping curses on it and us when they leave, to stop calling themselves Pinoy.

i’d like to see these folks condescending enough to deride our people and our country, without offering alternatives and solutions, to stop calling themselves Pinoy. such people, to my mind, are an affront to my being Filipino. they are as much a blight to this country as much as our current crop of leeches in power are.

i believe that although one is Pinoy by bloodline, one remains Pinoy only by committing oneself to this country, its people, and our future. i believe that only those who commit to working for the betterment of this country and their countrymen have the right to call themselves Filipino.

my stand isn’t very popular, this i know, tomas. let the chips fall where they may anyway.

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Toro

December 2nd, 2005 at 11:24 am

Your sense of patriotism, Jester, is admirable.

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jester-in-exile

December 2nd, 2005 at 11:40 am

toro,

is it really patriotism? i think it’s selfishness haha — i don’t want to damn myself by my own standard. this confederate general robert e. lee said something about duty being the measure of a man; to follow on that, i believe that shirking one’s duty as a Filipino is a mark of dishonor.

i want to hold my head high in this world as a Filipino. i want to be deserving of the sacrifices all too many fought, bled, and died for. i want to be worthy of the honor they brought to our people.

my ideals relating to being a Filipino are more of a matter of personal honor and pride than that of patriotism. if i was born, say, Swahili, i’d probably espouse the same thing. i’d try to live my life as the best Swahili i could be.

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Cromwell6

December 2nd, 2005 at 12:21 pm

There indeed is a desire by countless Pinoys to leave the country, in fact, Pulse Asia and other polling institutions like it need not go through head counting, a brief visit at any embassy worthy of targeting for work or visit visas will just be okay to come up with numbers to fill to tell just how serious and how people in desperation so pervasive that to be away has become already a byword and norm for Pinoys these days.

The brain drain as people make their exodus for greener pasture now include teachers, and this is the one thing I find to be worrisome, how will the Pinoy children fare in schools with replacement teachers, the good ones having left or is about to leave?

Places in Europe like Rome and couple of other European work destinations are simply overburdened especially undocumented workers in their midst, seeing our compatriots in train stations and the Champs Elysee in Paris Thursdays and Sundays, in congregation of hundreds scattered, huddled in hordes as appearing resigned to just be the other people’s worker or sex objects truly is heart wrenching.

But what is there to do, we’ve been as people unlearning of lessons, like the terribly long years of struggle removing despotism that we have to go through, brave and honorable men and women who had to die to be able to change for the better, like Ninoy, his assassins remaining out there so free to do more harm, why would people want staying home in the first place, be hungry and desperate?

So people leave sometimes for good to migrate to places like Canada, the US and Australia among other ‘greener’ destinations.

The object of the argument I would think, is how to stop the brain drain or just perhaps maybe delay it a bit till we’re able to figure something.

As for me, to be able to effectively curtail brain drain in the country, we would certain to need the right business infrastructure and to do that, of course the kind of detailing business plan to enable the venue building through support planks is a necessity since surely, it’s all about economics, the sort of money problem we are deeply enmeshed with, trillions worth of debt isn’t anybody’s cup of pito-pito.

The good ones leave for good, and if threesome is to make of the study discourse, they should be like the movie-make of the Good, the Bad & the Ugly.

So okay, we have few good ones let us then work on them little circle of the very few, well they could be the fewer clique of the oligarchy who still feel they should have the monopoly of the business, but work on them we will surely.

Can they sustain to monopolize the money it will take to allow for us the ‘crucial’ business infrastructure? If they have the tiny-weenie tidbit of caring for the greater good for the greater number, we could not have allowed suffering all these years having the jeepney, while they take to the streets with Benzes and BMWs.

Because we are a nation so largely scattered numerously over islands big and small, all 7100 of it, we would as I think very importantly need foremost the right transport infrastructure.

Let me argue along these lines; how about a “railway connect” for ASEAN & Asia, a growth projection to specifically address the transport connections. This I mean by just the distribution of food and services, all hell can break delay on the debt servicing until such that an itemized verifiable dissection why World Bank had to allow borrowings of this magnitude is given its due, we suspend paying up. As soon as this is proactively initiated, Asia need not worry, we have as people the kind of culture capable of taking care of everything including terrorism, and why not a unified currency for Asians, why not Yvonne?

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Chabeli

December 3rd, 2005 at 1:23 am

Jester (-in-exile),

That was such a beautiful comment! Maybe I’m being too negative na…

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jester-in-exile

December 3rd, 2005 at 11:46 am

chabeli,

like those really nice southern belles say, “padayon!”

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naykika

December 4th, 2005 at 12:52 am

Leaving the country to take the risk of uncertainty in a foreign country is indeed a big gamble for most would be immigrant. But for some it was a gamble won. Not only that you’ll be able to help the relatives with the money remitted but also help the country foreign currency balance. And to reassure our countrymen that wherever we are, we remain true to our “native Philippines” and some Pilipino communities here in Canada and U.S.A. are very active and involve to most events that are happening and unfolding back home. We have “love ones” just like everyone in the Country and being half the world away doesn’t make us any less patriotic or uncaring.

We also have our mini webblog that will surprise you how we are concern about our own little town of Alimodian, Iloilo.
CLICK http://www.alimodian.net thanks naykika

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long71

December 5th, 2005 at 8:20 am

why leave? para lang naman nasa gera ang sitwasyon natin ngayon.better to die in ones own country!

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jester-in-exile

December 5th, 2005 at 12:39 pm

naykika,

“We have ‘love ones’ just like everyone in the Country and being half the world away doesn’t make us any less patriotic or uncaring.”

pardon me for doubting your patriotism. for instance, your comment replying to toro on http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=504, with your use of the phrase “we canadians” and the implied allegiance to your adopted country (e.g., “our Federal government”, “our own Prime Minister”) has led me to this doubt.

i do not begrudge you your immigration to Canada, certainly not. i assume the intention and decision to lose your Filipino citizenship was something you did not make lightly. however, may i ask these questions:

how can one reconcile patriotism for the Philippines with having replaced Filipino citizenship for Canadian citizenship?

how can one be involved in working for a better Philippines, if, unlike Filipinos who choose to remain Filipino, whether working locally or as an OFW retaining his citizenship, one can’t vote and thus cannot be involved in choosing our leaders, and can’t pay taxes to the Philippines and thus is not supporting the development of our infrastructure?

true love implies commitment, so people say. dwelling on that, i say true love of country involves working for the good of one’s country. the good book has a parable saying no man can love two women, nor a servant loyal to two masters (did i get this right?). dwelling on that, nobody can call himself Filipino if his loyalty is divided either by thought or by deed, or both. true loyalty cannot be expressed by lip service.

i’m sure leaving the Philippines is a gamble for any would-be immigrant, and i don’t doubt that it’s been a gamble won for some of them. however, i will say this: every (former) Filipino successful elsewhere is the Philippines’ loss, in the same manner as a child disowning his mother is his mother’s loss, no matter the child’s success.

long71,

“why leave? para lang naman nasa gera ang sitwasyon natin ngayon.better to die in ones own country! ”

like my reply to tomas earlier, i hope that people decide to stay or leave FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

i don’t think that staying out of despair is a good reason to stay. if one despairs over the situation in the Philippines, better that person leave and cut off all ties with this country and its people.

better that only those who call themselves Filipino are those who work for our country’s progress and our people’s upliftmen. whether such people do so by remaining here or by leaving is immaterial.

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koj

December 5th, 2005 at 2:20 pm

jester,

i agree with your observation with regards to naykika.

for one, i am against the wisdom of dual citizenship believing that one’s allegiance can never be divided into two countries. while the country would potentially benefit from the assets of ex-filipinos, regaining their birth rights should be restored only after renouncing the current citizenship. this might discouraged some, but at least we would be able to segregate those with intention to help and those who would just like to gain from the benefits of re-acquiring it in addition to the citizenship they currently possess.

renouncing one’s allegiance to the country is a choice one may not take to live or work abroad.

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jr_lad

December 5th, 2005 at 3:01 pm

in the past, i’ve been comtemplating also of leaving the country permanently mainly due to economic considerations and in particular, for my children’s future. i owe it to my wife for her conviction not to leave and become a second class citizen of another country. we struggle yes, but it’s not enough to give up and turn away. i have friends who’ve been doing good economically but still chose to leave. i guess as what jester here said, they left out of despair over the situation in the phils. but my wife made me believe that there’s still hope in our country. truly there’s no place like home. i’m still feeling safe and very much comfortable living (i don’t mean economically) in the phils. amidst the sometimes chaotic political atmosphere that we have.

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koj

December 5th, 2005 at 10:08 pm

given the chance, its also worthwhile to work abroad specially if you are allowed to bring your family (to combat loneliness). this is specially attractive to young ones who are building his/her finances or starting-up a family. in most instances, if you have the necessary qualifications, a 4-months pay is equivalent to a year-long pay in the phil. this is beneficial also to uplift a close-knit clan from poverty.

for some, this is just a temporary undertaking and nuances such as the feeling of being a second class citizen is normally underminded to the original purpose. a lot however succumb to these pressures and become indiffirent to other races as well. this is commonly observe to asians and latino immigrants in the states and prevalent to lower earning bracket. however, people easily adopt and while being indifferent is the common refuge, many try to avoid the instances of discrimination (and develop inferiority) while some fight thru it tit-for-tat.

this is less experienced by professionals in the states and in many instances, the indifference is caused by being threatened that the perceived 2nd class citizens are in fact better than them. this is also common to fellow foreign citizen professionals.

analyzing it though, i find it no different at all to the many discrimination experienced by the maids, the helpers, the uneducated and other low-earning citizens in the country. the culprit i believe is one’s assessment that he is a better class than the other and thus justified to do it.

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naykika

December 6th, 2005 at 3:35 am

jester-in-exile

one doesn’t lost his Filipino Citizenship by Becoming A Canadian. By now we can register and vote just like any one and the beauty of it we can vote as free as we do vote here.

just like most of my friends here said (all nationalities) to question one’s love of country and patriotism is pointless and just plain demagoguery and nobody wants to beyond that.

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jester-in-exile

December 6th, 2005 at 8:55 am

naykika,

when you said “one doesn’t lose his Filipino citizenship by becoming a Canadian,” does that mean you possess dual citizenship?

if so, i’d like to point out my agreement with koj, when he questioned the wisdom of dual citizenship. how does the oath of allegiance go for any country? pretty much an expression of exclusivity, doesn’t it?

“to question one’s love of country and patriotism is pointless and just plain demagoguery…”

i respectfully disagree. demagoguery is defined as “speech appealing to the baser emotions of the audience.” certainly love of country is not a base emotion… unless perhaps when is given equality with, say, expediency.

jr_lad,

it’s not easy, nor i doubt it will become so for a long time, for anyone to take a stand such as that. it would have been easier for me (singlehood has its benefits, such as drop-of-a-hat mobility), but your situation has much more relevance to what we need today than mine.

koj,

though i think we’re beginning to drift from the main focus of the thread, which is the hopelessness many people feel resulting in their desire to escape the Philippines, maybe you could expound on your two comments above, vis-a-vis each other? they both reflect on the post.

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muttdaemon

December 6th, 2005 at 8:12 pm

jester,

I admire your patriotism or selfishness as you call it.

I would like to know your thoughts after you have gotten married and already have a child. I would like to know how you could make ends meet with less than 20K for your mortgage or house rental, meralco bills, water bills, your cellphone bill, grocery, etc. Isama mo pa dyan yung buwan buwang suporta na kailangan mong ibigay sa mga magulang at kapatid mo na nag-aaral ng kolehiyo. I would like to know if you still have the same idealism after you have to knock to a neighbor’s house early in the morning to borrow money to buy milk for your child. Tingnan ko kung ganyan pa rin ang saloobin mo pagkatapos mong bumale sa boss mo dahil may sakit ang asawa mo at kailangan mong dalhin sa ospital…tapos hindi ka pinabale.

Jester, some people leave the country not because they are less patriotic than you are …they do so because they can’t afford to be as patriotic as you are.

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naykika

December 6th, 2005 at 9:23 pm

Jester,

Canda has only one type of citizen. Be you are bornhere or naturalized. Multiple citizenships is allowed and encouraged. That means that when you take an oath of citizenship you do not have to renounce your original citizenship, thereby not losing it. And the Philippines allow her citizens to maintain theirs, except in U.S. where
you have to renounce your current before taking the oath to uncle sam

Again on subject of loyalty and patriotism to both my countries I’d rather keep them to myself. At the moment, I’ll be hitting the campaign
trail for upcoming election, because my party(opposition is lagging badly) and I have the feeling we are going to loss this one big time.
thanks and seasons greting to all..

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jester-in-exile

December 7th, 2005 at 8:26 am

muttdaemon,

making ends meet with the peanuts i work for is already difficult (yes, i do pay rent, being a locator to this area where i now work and reside in). i don’t doubt that it would be much more difficult if i were no longer single and would be supporting a family of my own.

my stand is not simply about whether i leave or not… my stand is about not leaving permanently, not becoming an immigrant to another country. how else would i have a lot of respect for our OFWs, they who leave with the full intention of coming back and investing here, demonstrating a commitment to the future of this country?

marami nang beses akong nagmakaawa sa landlady ko tungkol sa upa. marami na ring beses akong naghiram-hiram ng pera sa kung kani-kanino para lamang makapagbayad ng sangkaterbang mga bills. marami na ring beses akong di pinabale ng boss ko dati, na dahil sa paulit-ulit na pag-o-on-call sa kalagitnaan ng gabi hanggang madaling araw ay nagkasakit ako at di nakapasok.

i’ve the same difficulties as everyone else, less the difficulties of those who have families of their own. the path of idealism is never easy, especially in this country.

however, saying that people leave because “they do so because they can’t afford to be as patriotic as you are” is not completely true, i believe. people who love the Philippines leave all the time, OFWs and such, not renouncing our country, going away with the full intention of coming back, saving up to jumpstart their family’s economic status (and in doing so, our country’s).

the way i read your comment, muttdaemon, is that you’re frustrated that you’ve lost your ideals because of the exigencies of living in this country. the way i see it, though, is that you still have those ideals — you’re already living them by doing the best you can for your family.

i admire the fact that your kids have in you a good example of strength of character.

replying to your comment’s end, though: perhaps people leave FOR GOOD because they no longer want to bear the difficulties of loving the Philippines. nobody loses their ideals unless they choose to.

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zigen

December 7th, 2005 at 4:47 pm

jester,

i can only say this to you…..

I admire your idealism but you will have a very RUDE AWAKENING! :)

after a few years lets talk again and i do hope you stand up to everything that you said here…..

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jester-in-exile

December 7th, 2005 at 4:57 pm

zigen,

by “rude awakening” i suppose you believe that having ideals is equivalent to being asleep, in the sense of being deaf, dumb, and blind to reality?

rather sad, to have such a point of view. more to the point, i am disappointed that people espouse such, in the sense that one would rather demean another’s such principles.

i’d rather you disagreed outright, zigen, instead of saying you admire my idealism.

i look forward to speaking with you in the coming years.

this has been a digression from the topic. i won’t comment any longer for anything unrelated to the post above.

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zigen

December 7th, 2005 at 5:33 pm

jester-in-exile said,
December 5, 2005 @ 12:39 pm

how can one reconcile patriotism for the Philippines with having replaced Filipino citizenship for Canadian citizenship?

how can one be involved in working for a better Philippines, if, unlike Filipinos who choose to remain Filipino, whether working locally or as an OFW retaining his citizenship, one can’t vote and thus cannot be involved in choosing our leaders, and can’t pay taxes to the Philippines and thus is not supporting the development of our infrastructure?

jester-in-exile said,
December 7, 2005 @ 4:57 pm

rather sad, to have such a point of view. more to the point, i am disappointed that people espouse such, in the sense that one would rather demean another’s such principles.

who is the one demeaning another’s principles? :) see…….

just look at the thread my fellow filipino…. it doesn’t matter what your citizenship is… what is important where one’s heart belongs… (KAPUSO) :)

i rest my case!

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jester-in-exile

December 7th, 2005 at 5:46 pm

zigen,

we’re not on the same page. the comment you copied below refers to my interpretation of your “rude awakening” comment.

rest your case as you will. “it doesn’t matter what your citizenship is… what is important (to) where one’s heart belongs.” perhaps. i prefer to say, “it doesn’t matter to whom one professes loyalty to, what matters is to whom loyalty is actually demonstrated.”

deeds above words, actions above feelings.

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zigen

December 7th, 2005 at 5:53 pm

i rest my case….. just read the thread…… :)

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muttdaemon

December 7th, 2005 at 6:59 pm

One of the arguments that I hear from people who chose to stay back home is that they don’t want to be treated as second class citizens in another country. Aren’t we being discriminated in our country as well? Imagine that you are qualified for a job but couldn’t get it because the “pinsan sa kuko” of some governement official happened to apply in the same position..or when your promotions is always being bypassed in favor of somebody who knows somebody; or when a former president accused of a heinous crime enjoys the luxury of house arrest while hundreds are in filthy jails for petty crimes; or when you have to queue for several hours to transact with a government agency because you chose “na hindi maglagay” while others breeze through because they chose to pay or because they know somebody; or when your vote is not counted and your neighbor’s vote is counted twice because he voted for the administration’s candidate; or when you go to jail for shoplifting a can of milk for your child but a government official gets away with stealing votes by just saying “I am sorry” Aren’t these forms of discrimination as well?

Oh and please don’t give me the crap that we don’t discriminate based on the color of someone else’s skin. Ever been in a pinoy party with guests from western countries? Don’t we go the extra mile to entertain these people more than we entertain our kababayans? Don’t some of us think “5-6″ when we see a person from India? We used to discriminate against the chinese as well (though some chinese discriminate against the native pinoys now)…remember the song that we used to sing when we were still young…”intsik beho tulo laway”? Even the jobs advert of our newspapers are reeking with discrimination. Take this example:

Looking for an Accounting clerk, 25-30 years old, male, university graduate from a reputable institution

25-30 years old – ooopsss, tabi na yung mga oldies
male – oldies and females, you’re out
university graduate – oldies, females and males without a degree, you are the weakest links
from a reputable institution – oldies, females, males without a degree, males with degree but not from UP, Ateneo, La Salle, or UAP; goodbye

Mas masakit ang ma-discriminate sa sarili mong bansa.

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benign0

December 7th, 2005 at 7:17 pm

jester-in-exile said:
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one thing i know for sure, though: in my mind i will not call anybody Filipino who refuses to take part in the betterment of my country.
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This certainly brings tears to many people’s eyes.

But to presume to be the judge of who deserves to be called “Filipino” or not is a bit of a stretch bordering on self-righteousness.

To equate being Filipino with actually living in the Philippines and being “happy” being paid peanuts after slogging throug Engineering school highlights the disease that affects Pinoy society — this penchant for undervaluing one’s personal worth and settling for mediocre rewards for what for many are world class skills and talents.

Great nations like the United States where built by migrants who believed they deserved to be well-rewarded for a hard-day’s work. To comfort yourself with the security blanket of nationalism as a means to justify subjecting yourself to mediocre government, mediocre standards of living, and mediocre pay is truly the Pinoy Way.

As I once said in my value proposition to the Filipino which I articulate here:
http://www.geocities.com/benign0/admin/whyshouldi.html

“Great nations were not built on good intentions. They were built on business sense. Real change in Pinoy society will never be achieved through the “sacrifice” of altruistic “heroes”. True change will be driven by people who find no shame in expecting a buck for their trouble.”

ha ha! 😀

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ejam

December 8th, 2005 at 3:52 am

re: More Pinoys feel hopeless, want to migrate

This is very good news for the gov’t. Sooner or later these pinoys will remit dollars to the Philippines. More fees, more taxes. And all the government has to do is give the Filipino people a hopeless, useless government.

So drive them all away, the more the better.

This is the formula.

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xiy

December 8th, 2005 at 5:21 pm

Some really thought-provoking discussion here. However, I observe, most of us are only good at discussing things.

Jester belongs to an extremely rare breed (am envious). I met a person of the same conviction only once…before I decided to leave the country.

I would like to believe that our move is not an act of desperation. Rather, it’s more of choosing a better option available to us. Realizing that RP’s situation has become a “chicken and egg” thing, pragmatism took over my patriotism. Having 80M(or so) “problems” look daunting indeed.

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zigen

December 13th, 2005 at 1:55 pm

i rest my case……. :)

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men0k

December 13th, 2005 at 4:44 pm

i respect your comments jester.. but doesn’t necessarily agree to your point that when someone leaves his own country to work and give some food over the table back there already equals to swearing allegiance to that country…

“i don’t want to be an immigrant and take an oath to a country not mine. i am Pinoy; i’ll die Pinoy.”

that post talks about the immigrants, or those who opted to change citizenships, or acquire dual citizenship.. but you should not post it to this blog that has OFWs as subject….

let me dissect that statement…

“i don’t want to be an immigrant” – being an OFW doesn’t equal to being an immigrant right away… you can opt not to become one… and besides, those who opt to be an immigrant have their own reasons..

“take an oath to a country not mine” – still our oath of allegiance is to the Philippines and will always stay that way…

” i am Pinoy; i’ll die Pinoy.” – leaving Philippines doesn’t strip you off of being a Filipino.. and dying outside your country doesn’t mean you will die not a Pinoy… as i’ve said those who opted to change citizenship have their reasons… which i don’t think could be misconstrued as not being patriotic….

It pains us to no end when people like you in the Philippines think of us like the way you are thinking Jester… Maybe you were born in a different situation from us that’s why you can say that..I believe 100% that if we have a beeter option than leaving the Philiipines, no one would leave that country…

Take it from me.. I left the country last 1998 and went back 1999… i hust saved money for a small business and stayed there.. but things got worse than what I expected and prayed for… that’s is why i am back here, i na foreign land…

If only we could see the taxes we are paying for (20% of my salary) is going to rightful purposes and not inthe pockets of the congressmen who are up to now are trying to make it appear that telling lies is ok so long as they are not proven… etc..

and you know what jester, any time of the day, if you want to exhange places with me, so long as your situation now could feed my children and provide them with descent life that I want them to have, i would gladly agree.

please don’t generalize.

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nja

December 29th, 2005 at 3:04 am

If beauty is in the eye of beholder, then royalty and patriotism is in the state of mind of the individual. We may raise question about it, but how can we measure their stance in the so called country?

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Madam Auring

January 4th, 2006 at 12:42 am

It is quite admirable jester-in-exile’s conviction of being a “Filipino citizen”, but equally disturbing is his manner of expressing his views almost as if he owns the right to define “being a Filipino”. I AM A FILIPINO living abroad, after a few more months, I will be a Canadian Citizen but still I AM A FILIPINO and don’t you @%&$#*! dare question that. Being a Filipino cannot be defined by simply being physically in the Philippines. I was in the Philippines, had a decent and honest job as an engineer and living a fairly comfortable life with my family. But what drove me to migrate? First reason is to secure my child’s (now children’s) future and secondly is I know I can be of better service to my country by being the best I could, earn a substantial money and share these with my family back home and with my country (see Gawad Kalinga for example), third reason is the frustration on the political and economic situation. Why will I apply for a Canadian citizenship? For the very simple reason of practicality, I like to enjoy the full rewards of my hard work, I will get a chance to voice my vote in the elections (good government = good economy = good jobs = good salary = more help to family back home = more help to charitable organization/s back home = more Filipino!!!). Again, I admire your (jester-in-exile) conviction, your flowery-style of writing is commendable, but please be sensible since your extreme patriotism doesn’t warrant that you can judge other people’s decision……Yan ang nasusulat sa aking crystal ball(s)…hahaha… Peace!

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jamesarkoss

January 15th, 2006 at 11:51 pm

Hello guys, Im not sure if you will be suprised or not because majority of the members here are pinoy, but suprise! I am American.Not a filipino american but a pure european who was born in beloved Philippines and wishes to turn tables and migrate to the Philippines after I finish my masters degree. Im a American born in the Philippines. Kabisado ko pa and Tagalog!
Happy New Year and Im looking forward to meeting you.
For the mean time I have to call my friend because here in Sault St. Marie, can’t trust the weather. The secret is my car is buried under 12 feet of snow.
Well good luck my brothers

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baycas

January 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pm

the title of this article speaks for itself. (sorry, but philstar’s links are temporary so i’m posting part of the article on OFWs)…

Manage our OFW business better
DEMAND AND SUPPLY By Boo Chanco
The Philippine Star 01/23/2006

When the Marcos regime first resorted to the export of Filipino labor to alleviate the unemployment problem and also earn precious foreign exchange, it was supposed to be a stop gap measure. It was something we had to do while the country worked on the basics for economic growth… until our economy can provide jobs right here at home.

But it didn’t happen that way. The spectacular performance of our OFWs this year in terms of earnings remittance and the absence of real indicators that our economy is truly on the mend, means this temporary strategy will have to be around for quite a while more.

Putting aside the serious social implications of children growing up without parents or of a culture of dependency taking root among relatives left behind, the OFW strategy has at least provided the element of hope needed to keep the masses from revolting. It is also creating a new middle class that is exposed to world class ways of doing things and I am banking on this development to improve the quality of our voters in the future.

I saw a special report on ANC last week that featured pretty good looking homes of OFWs in Mabini, Batangas. The village itself is known as Italian village because the OFWs there worked as household help in Italy. It is heartwarming to see such fruits of their hard work. Those houses and the much improved lives they now live must surely make all those bitter heartaches in a foreign land worthwhile.

Now that we are resigned to sending our workers abroad in the next 10 or maybe even 20 years, we should start handling this business a lot better than we are doing now. I am not talking only of worker protection and welfare like what OWWA, POEA and DFA should be providing. I think various high level government agency heads, together with some in the private sector, should give the OFW strategy more thought to maximize the benefits we as a country can derive from it.

We often hear some official or economist lament that the billions of dollars OFWs send back home are dissipated in consumption, benefiting only the mall owners and the smugglers in Divisoria. There is a lot of truth in that view. The $10 billion or so that OFWs sent back here last year could have done more than just strengthen the peso and fatten our gross international reserves.

That’s a lot of money, to begin with. Couldn’t we capture that or some of that in terms of government securities tailor made for OFWs? Every time the National Treasury floats a bond issue, that is to say, borrow foreign exchange from banks and other investors, it is normally in a range that’s lower than $10 billion. The last one was just $2 billion. Wouldn’t it be nice if the Treasury paid interest to an OFW holding such a bond instead of to foreign banks or investors?

There was an attempt by some wise guys in Malacañang some years back to issue such an “investment instrument” that did not clearly define its use. In fact, they did not coordinate with DOF or BSP, making the caper look like a scam. But if the issue is designed by the proper financial authorities and would be used to reduce our foreign debt obligations or to build an expressway somewhere or equip PGH with world class facilities, that would be just great.

Right now, the investment choices of OFWs are limited to buying a tricycle, a jeep or a FX van… or putting up a sari sari store. Assisting the OFWs in investing their hard-earned money should be a joint government-private sector undertaking.

While I wouldn’t recommend for the uninitiated OFW to venture into the stock market the way the NEDA chief suggested, the PSE can probably come up with an index fund, a mutual fund type of instrument that tracks the Phisix. While there is still a strong element of risk here, it wouldn’t be as bad as losing all your money on one bad listed issue. It should also be more liquid. Something like the Vanguard in the US should be a good model.

Deploying our OFWs can also stand a lot of improvement. Our consul general in Guangdong province, China once told our Wednesday lunch group at Havana Greenbelt that China seems more organized in this respect. She told us that at least in Guangdong, the Chinese government negotiated directly with the British government for the supply of Chinese nurses. The package deal involves everything from English language training to professional certification and guaranteed wages. When governments talk to each other, the likelihood of abuses is reduced, if not eliminated.

This is why I think DFA should be at the forefront of efforts to negotiate and sign up treaties with various countries that would facilitate the fielding of Filipino labor. Mobility of labor is an important component of globalization and we ought to be as tough in negotiating this issue as we are in regard to the entry of manufactured goods and raw materials to developed country markets. It is a tough issue but it is also one issue we need to be proactive with. Otherwise, other countries that also send their workers abroad may get their labor agreements ahead of us.

Then there is the problem raised by the POEA of inadequate available flights out of the country to ferry our workers. Thousands of prospective workers, whose papers are already in order, lost the opportunity to work and earn money abroad because there are not enough planes to get them there. That’s a logistic problem that shouldn’t be too difficult to fix. We just need the Civil Aeronautics Board to work with POEA. The lost opportunity is an unpardonable failure of the bureaucracy.

Finally, there is the police side of it too. There was news last week that about 20 or so Pinoy “tourists” were stranded in St. Petersburg, Russia after their “guide”, a Filipina, abandoned them after taking their passports and money. Apparently, the “tourists” were really bound for Western Europe to look for work and the “guide” was supposed to facilitate their Schengen visa for an atrocious fee.

Winter is a tough time to be stranded in Russia without food and shelter. And CNN says it is record cold there now. There must be some way government can monitor situations like this before these “tourists” even leave the country. Given our economic problems, people are desperate enough to take big risks for that dream job abroad. We simply have to protect our own from the more criminally inclined, also among us.

It would be nice to see more Italian Villages like the one in Mabini, Batangas. But replicating the success stories there must not be left to chance and to the desperation of our people to take unreasonable risks. We all have to put our heads together in an organized effort to maximize the benefits of this OFW phenomenon and minimize the heartaches to those who are in the thick of it.

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