Con-Com’s ‘self-serving’ proposals tied to Arroyo’s political survival

Well, with a Parliament in place, Gloria Macapal Arrobo can become the Crime, I mean, Prime Minister.

I remember the first time our batch was introduced to the world of jurisprudence and the law, one of my law classmate innocently asked our consti law professor why do we have the penchant to change our charter, to which he replied bluntly : to serve the interests of those who want it changed.

The irony of it , in every charter change initiative, the legal profession is always the convenient escape goat, as if its our bread and butter.

But for some, it may be true and must be bigger than a chunk of yulitide glazed cooked ham.

Merry x-mas to all

One good thing that came out from the ConCom’s report is it has raised the issues that are contentious and awakened the minds of the public. The public has begun to react with their concerns. I hope the public will continue to be pro-active on the issue of charter change and not lose sight that we all want change for the better primarily in the govt bureaucracy. Their reactions should be taken seriously by the Congress that will draft the final amendments before they are submitted in a plebiscite.

Hopefully, the Senate will have its way in calling for a constitutional assembly that will draft the amendments so the charter change is not “lutong macao”. If we are going to amend the Constitution let it be done properly and correctly by an elected assembly instead of the incumbent who were elected purposely to legislate, but have since become subservient to the President.

The people must reject the charter change if it does not conform to their idea of a truly pro-people government. No undue advantage should be given to politicians such as the proposed no-election for hold-over congressmen until 2010. Knowing a large majority of people prefer a parliamentary govt these tricky congressmen may offer just that but with a caveat for a no-election in 2007. Reject that because what’s the point in changing to parliamentary when the same crooked odd balls will be the same ones to run the parliament? These politicians keep forgetting that they are the first ones people want to change. The system is secondary.

Mukilteo,

There is such a body, it’s called the Commission on Appointments, which is mandated by the 1987 Constitution to act on all presidential appointments (with the exception of members of the judiciary).

But the CA is dominated by politicians — the Senate President as ex officio chairman, 12 senators, and 12 members of the House of Representatives, elected by each House on the basis of proportional representation from the political parties and parties or organizations registered under the party-list system represented therein. And in not a few instances has the CA demonstrated its propensity for being, in the words of Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago, a “horse-trading agency.” (See our report on the appointments body back in 1999.)

Interestingly, Fr. Joaquin Bernas’s recent column on the appointment of the Supreme Court chief justice provides a background on how the confirmation power of the CA has evolved since the 1935 Constitution.

I think you have just explained how the self-serving politicians cannot make the change work. You understand enough. Don’t let it spoil your Christmas, Jun31. Cheers.

my mistake i should say the courts in several countries now declared that the law that recognized marriage only between man and woman is against the charter of rights provision. simply means same sex marriage is now legal and have all the benefits and rights accorded traditional marriages. sorry for the boboo, it’s santa’s fault got to open the boxes..thanks

neal cruz’s “old soldiers who refuse to just fade away” http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.php?index=2&story_id=60392&col=56

“…Speaking of another old man who refuses to fade away, there’s former University of the Philippines president Jose P. Abueva who accepted an appointment as chair of the Consultative Commission. Very recently, he submitted to Ate Glue the draft of a proposed Constitution, which she immediately endorsed to Congress. Luckily, we still have a bicameral Congress, and the Senate quickly thumbed down Abueva’s handiwork. Can you imagine what would happen to us if we had a unicameral parliament with the present members of the House as the MPs? That is what Abueva’s ConCom is proposing.”

“Not only that, it proposes to ban school dropouts and actors from running for public office. This is clearly class legislation directed at the likes of Erap and FPJ (Fernando Poe Jr). It reveals that members of the ConCom are bigots and elitists. A college degree, even a whole string of them, does not automatically clothe a person with wisdom. There have been many dropouts who turned out to be good public servants. Former Senate President and Foreign Secretary Blas F. Ople and former Sen. Francisco Tatad come to mind. ( http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=547#comment-17066 ) On the other hand, there are many college graduates who are bobos. Even university presidents can be that. Look at Abueva.”

“His draft constitution uses bribery to entice congressmen and senators to accept it. It proposes to postpone the elections of 2007 and automatically make them, including the many third termers, members of Parliament, gratis, without having to run and spend for a new term. Isn’t that bribery?”

Why don’t we look at the positive side of the recommendation? 1st, Billions of pesos will be saved from the no-election for 2007. And there’s a much higher probability that the transition from the old system to the new will be accepted and comprehended by the whole nation better.

What I’ve just noticed for those who are in favor of Cha-cha is that you all assume that these politicians who will assume offices, specially GMA, under the new constitution are honest-to-goodness and “truly, deeply, and madly love to serve the Filipino people”, which I am sure to be absolutely NOT TRUE. Hello!!!!! Mag-isip nga po tayo!!! we are not living in the world of heroes.

To TimTim2

The positive side that you are thinking is abviously a bribe not only for the politicians but also to every Filipinos who believe that a savings from a no-election for 2007 is one big reason for a no election proposal. Kailan ba naging seryoso ang gobyerno sa pag-titipid!? Mukhang masyado na po yata tayong matagal na nakatira sa Pilipinas para magpaloko sa ganitong klaseng pakulo.

Reasons to scrap the 2007 elections (No-El proposal):
(1) The proposal of the presidential consultative commission to postpone the May 2007 elections aims to buy the support of lawmakers and local officials for Cha-cha or Charter change.
(2) It would pave the way for a smooth transition for the proposed synchronized elections in 2010 under a parliamentary-federal structure of government with a unicameral parliament.
(3) The high cost of conducting an election immediately following a plebiscite was taken into consideration.
(4) The apparent unreadiness of the electoral system for such an election was also taken into consideration.
(5) Political instability and divisiveness could also erupt.

These reasons were voluntary offered by Abueva himself and are contained here http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/hl/hl103423.htm .

…Note the opinion of Sergio Apostol, a former congressman who was Con-Com floor leader!

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In response:
(1) Of course, the No-El provision is a barely disguised bribe, because today’s elected officials get a free term.*
(2) The proposed system of government was slapped to the faces of the ones “consulted” by mere Arroyo appointees. Actual debate by true representatives of the people on charter change did not take place.
(3) & (4) Elections are expensive. They have always been, but they do not have to be. That doesn’t mean that we postpone elections until we bring the costs down; that only means that we should work as fast as we can to computerize the process.* And also be done with the present Comelec officials who wasted taxpayers’ money because a credible election will not place as long as they are still glued to their seats.
(5) Elections are meant to be divisive; the solution is, and has always been, election reform: to invest the entire election process, throughout the entire election cycle, with the integrity and transparency it needs to inspire complete public confidence. What the country needs above all is a credible vote; political divisiveness lingers or even festers in part because of lack of credibility.*

*from http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.php?index=2&story_id=60390&col=84

agree. NO-EL provision means NO arroyo accountability!

and free ride to the next 3 years for her tongressmen.

To Timtim2

You talk of billions savings, what about the billions of public funds spent by gloria for personal interest? THE ONLY POSITIVE OPTION TODAY IS TO GET RID OF gloria – THE CHEAT EXECUTIVE !!!!
For your info, just today, CNN says, 29 December 2005,0620PM – “Manila sets 1st Quarter borrowings of $1.4Billion”. No wonder gloria and alepores pushed for the EVAT, kaya pala napakalaking utang ang binabalak, take note 1st quarter pa lang yan.

gloria-THE CHEAT EXECUTIVE spent another P10 million for this CON-COM. What a waste!!! How many hungry mouth could have been feed, or classrooms, or mass housing. If we allow gloria-THE CHEAT EXECUTIVE to stay a little longer, how much more of the country’s fund will be wasted ? Palubog na ang araw ni ABUEVE and yet he allowed himself to be used by gloria. gloria used him to gain herself credibility but instead ABUEVA lost credibility, nahawa, ganyan ang sakit ni gloria,, remember KWOK? instead of reforming the government of gloria, KWOK become the defender of gloria. How much of the country’s fund went to KWOK, perhaps a lot. Self-serving lahat ng kilos ni gloria, wala tayong maasahan. NO TO CHA-CHA, NO TO gloria!!!!!!!!

m38,

Although foreign investments may be a good source of income and employment, it is important that we develop our own local industries first before we can allow these big multinational corporations in and compete. Otherwise, it will be a one-sided competition. The large corporations will eventually eat up the market with their cheap, high quality products and bring our local producers down.

As for me, I have already started looking at the labels. If it is made in RP and it has almost the same ingredients as branded foreign products, I go for the made in RP. Ig the made in RP is of lower price I go for it. If the made in RP is of higher price but of better quality than the imported ones, I still go for made in RP. My first consideration in buying products now is – if they are made in RP.

ok. i’ll start with HAPPEE TOOTHPASTE. hehehhe. free advertising na to. P15 lang ang normally P25 pag colgate or close up.

and feels good, taste good. and has almost the same ingredients as with colgate.

so start using HAPPEE TOOTHPASTE na. SUpport Pinoy Products na tayo.

m38,

What i’m saying is that the state should develop only key “security” industries in order to balance the economy if we are going to open it to foreign investments. We cannot just leave the consumers of this country at the mercy of these foreign corporations. Privatization of key industries, (like power, water, mass transportation, petrochem, etc.) will definitely give these foreign corporations some political and economic grip in our country. The state should keep the control of these industries.

I agree with you that foreign competition will definitely push our local industries to produce more efficiently, but we cannot just open the market to these foreign corporations. We must first try to even the playing field. Impose better price controls, provide better technologies and methodologies to local producers, which can be made through better training and providing loans for the acquisition of new equipment, etc., we can also impose capital flight restrictions in order that these foreign investors cannot easily move their investments and profits to another country when things are not going in their favor.

The basic point is that we cannot let local industries die and we should not be totally dependent on foreign goods and investments for our basic needs.

Oh and BTW dimasalang,

What are your views on Filipino companies being able to buy in and own 100% of foreign companies (e.g., San Miguel buying out Berri in Australia recently?), or that we can buy property overseas in many countries without being residents or citizens of that country? or that more than US 10 billion dollars of money earnt overseas is sent back to this country every year. I suppose that you think this is fair right? LOL

Ay ya Ya!!!

Our banks won’t help but ADB does. Go figure!!

US$44.4 Million ADB Support For Small and Medium Enterprise Development in Philippines
MANILA, PHILIPPINES (5 October 2005) – The Asian Development Bank (ADB) will support the development of small and medium enterprises (SMEs) in the Philippines through an assistance package approved comprising a US$25 million loan, a partial credit guarantee facility of about $18.4 million, and an equity investment of up to $1 million.

The SME assistance is part of a pipeline of projects endorsed by ADB’s Board of Directors in July for consideration during 2005-2007 under a lending program that could range from zero to $1.5 billion, depending on progress on sector reforms and fiscal consolidation.

The Government-owned Small Business Guarantee and Finance Corporation (SB Corporation) is the executing agency for the project, which will be carried out over five years to around October 2010.

ADB’s loan, backed by a Government guarantee, will serve as a credit line to SB Corporation, which will onlend the loan in local currency to viable SMEs with a sound business foundation that do not have access to bank financing. The Project will also strengthen SB Corporation’s credit underwriting and risk management.

The partial credit guarantee facility, equivalent to P1 billion, will be offered to encourage selected private sector financial institutions to expand their SME portfolio, particularly to medium-sized enterprises outside SB Corporation’s target group. The facility, without a Government counterguarantee, will cover up to 50% of well-defined SME loan portfolios. An equity investment of up to $1 million or not more than a quarter of the project cost for a planned credit information bureau will help establish a comprehensive and credible credit information system.

“The project will help stimulate SME development in the country, to contribute to sustainable growth and generate jobs. This is strongly supportive of the Government’s Ten Point Agenda,” says Asa Malmstrom Rognes, an ADB Senior Financial Economist.

“The combination of a public sector loan and a private sector facility allows the project to target different segments of the SME market and will hopefully expand financing to SMEs through a demonstration effect.”

SME’s are an integral part of the Philippine economy, contributing 32% of value added and accounting for 31% of employment. However, effective SME operation is constrained by lack of supportive policies, cumbersome and costly registration and licensing processes, lack of a national business and collateral registry, and absence of comprehensive credit information.

Access to and availability of financing is limited due to banks’ perception that SME lending is more costly and risky compared to other investments, as well as to SME’s difficulty in preparing credible business plans and realistic cash-flow estimates and providing sufficient collateral.

The Government plans to increase the SME share in value added from 32% to 40% by 2010, and has highlighted the central role SMEs will play in creating jobs.

SB Corporation was created by the Government in 1991 to provide loans and guarantees to SMEs that are viable, have sound business foundation and growth potential but are underserved by the banks as they, for example, need smaller loans than banks offer or have insufficient collateral or credit history.

The project is supported by a technical assistance grant to strengthen credit management systems for SMEs, and a separate grant from the Japan Fund for Information and Communication Technology, financed by the Government of Japan, to develop the Philippine business registry.

ADB’s loan comes from its ordinary capital resources. It carries a 15-year term, including a grace period of three years, and an interest rate determined in accordance with ADB’s LIBOR-based lending facility.

The Asian Development Bank is dedicated to reducing poverty in the Asia and Pacific region through pro-poor sustainable economic growth, social development, and good governance. Established in 1966, it is owned by 64 members, with 46 from the region. In 2004, it approved loans and technical assistance totaling $5.3 billion and $196.6 million, respectively.

m38manila said,
January 4, 2006 @ 6:11 pm

Zigen,

With respect to this comment –

“how could we assume that the foreign investors would come in just by saying or declaring or putting it in our constitution that they are allowed in and to compete against local industry”

Um, perhaps you should read the constitution to understand what I and the con-com are talking about.

hahahahahahahahaha ROFLOLDH

zigen answer,

maybe you should read my comment again! medyo malayo kasi yung sagot mo eh! hahahahaha i sense you are getting desperate na! hehehe trying to answer my comment by insuating that i didn’t read the constitution for which my comment doesn’t not need to read the constitution…. hahahaha simple logic will do! if you have one! bwahahahaha

in favor of no-el simply means you want gloria and her minions to stay (forever?). it means also a never ending divisiveness among our people. can we achieve much by this?

for me, it’s better to take a chance than be defeated outright. or the other alternative as what fvr said, “gloria should sacrifice”.

jr,

PGMA tenure is 10 years, so election or no election , PGMA shoudl be serving until 2010. So where is the logic and objectivity in your statement?

eyes,

“i understand why some filipinos who are not in the philippines does not want election. they can’t vote anyway. ”

there is no truth to this statement. ang babaw at very narrow minded. I dont know with other OFWs but in my case I am a registered OAV so I can vote here. BTW, i did not vote for GMA inthe last election. I voted for Roco. But since she was the one that was declared the winner. i respected and accepted the legality of her presidency. And I did not regereted that action because it normalized my whole life and I was able to move on…

And yes, some OFW can’t vote, I dont think you statement fair for them…

i really dont know why you and your ilk can not get over with the election issue. eh an tagal na nun ah. and all efforts to remove GMA from power has failed and is failing….why cant you just let it go????

I can see you this paranoia of Martial Law. But ive been ther too. syempre di rin ako papayag. So if ever she extend the beyond 2010. Eh mag wawala din ako…But I just can not see that in PGMA…And i believe your paranoia is baseless.

The thing, is you allow you feeling to rule over your stand on different issues. And this not good. Because your acceptance on changes that we wanted to the implement is being hindered by your paranoia. ( Napansin ko rin na ang opposition is capitalizing on the emotions of the masa and as a matter of fact ginagatungan nila ng ginagatungan and weakness an eto ng masa para maisulong ang kanila agenda…)

I believe that it would be better if you separate you feelings from your stand on different issues. That way, you become objective. If you can not do that then nothing really positive will coem out from you. Sayang kasi mukha namang edukado kang tao and you have the ability
to really discern on things. But my impression, is that you are so blinded by you negative feelings about PGMA or the things that you have encountered in the past….

The mere fact that your resorted to name calling means you have a personal issue with PGMA…. and that speaks well about you stand. Remember, what ever we change now is not only about Gloria, this concerns not only you and me now but also our grandchildren and great grandchildred. so I dont think its healthy to look at it through your current feelings on PGMA. Because PGMA will be gone in 8 years while our grandchildren will be born long after PGMA is gone.

My suggestions, deal with your personal issues first before dealing with or making a stand on the national issues. Suggestion lang po yan kaya wag mapipikon…

I was referring to the proposal of no election shall be held in 2007….

Btw JR, nag oover react ka!! Check youself out…..

eyes,

i did read the news and im very much upadate on whats is going on over there, Unlike you i have a positive feeling about it. I have no issue. I ‘ll act on the your worry about PGMA extending beyond 2010 on year 2010 itself… not now….

as ive said, if you really feel bad that you were cheated, your reaction is your choice alone. its your choice to dwell on it hanggang kelan mo gusto. I can do nothing about it…

ang sinansabi ko lang, since you have that bitterness in you, you better deal with it first, personally, before you deal on the national issue….kasi magiging napaka bias mo nyan…and you will never be objective at all…

Ay buti naman Eyes at nagdesisyon ka ng magpahinga. You really need. Kasi tingnan mo naman kung saan saan ka na dinadala ng negative emotions mo….

Yung positive head lines ay negative na negative ang tingin mo! Naparaning ka doon sa “20 years” Samantala ako naman natutuwa na finally here a Philippine President who wanted the Philippines to be a first word state….Mas pinairal mo ang bitterness mo at ang nakiita mo lang yung “20 years”… samanatalang ako doon nakatingin sa “First World State” Sabi ko pa nga ” Wow Philippines as First World State!? Thats definitely great!

Takot na takot ka na imbes busisiin kung paano nya maggawa yun eh ang tumakbo na kaagad sa isipan mo eh mag e extend si PGMA. beyond her term…Samantalang ako naman excited na ilabas nya ang blue print on how she going to lead the nation towards that goal….at bubusisisiin ko yung blue print na yon. Kung sa tingin ko ay may mga defecto, eh maghahanap ako ng paraan na maiparating sa kanya ang defectong yun. At ng sa ganun alined ako o kasama ako sa pagpunta ng bansa sa First World…Kumbaga pasulong ako, ikaw naman paurong at nalugmok sa yong bitterness….. Para ka ng sirang plaka na paulit ulit na lang sinasambit na ” nadaya ako”, “nadaya ang pamilya ko” “nadaya ang mga kaibigan ko”, “mandaraya si Glorya!@#$%^&*()_+!!!!!. Can you imagine kung ganyan lahat ang mag Pinoy? Saan tayo makakarating nyan? Get over with it, will you?

Sana habang nagpapahinga ka ay pag munimunihan mo kung ano talaga ang mahalaga sayo. Ang paranoia at ang negative emotions o yung makarating tayo sa First World state…..Kasi ako, I would definitely move on and do something para makarating tayo sa First World State.

Rego,

hindi pagiging negative ang magsabi ng katotohanan and how you feel…. hindi dahil tinatawag nya ng names ang isang tao that means hindi na siya nagiging reasonable…. maybe you should be the one to check yourself…. look at the overall message rather than the calling of names… kung talagang mas nagiisip ka sa kanila… dba?

just to quote you para hindi na humaba pa ang usapan…

rego said,
January 10, 2006 @ 6:22 pm

I was curious with this topic because i saw 38 comments. sabi ko mmm ” mukhang veryinteresting ang thread na eto” . but gee when I read those name calling in the first few commentators. i did not bother to read teh rest of the comments. i find it cheap, very negative, biased, very arrogant, close minded and even baseless….

why cant we just present our views in a very objective manner, in this case the pros and con of the proposed constitutional change?

zigen said,

i will throw the question back to you…. how can you be objective in your views if you didn’t bother to read the rest of the thread? then how can you know the pros and cons if you wont bother reading the thread? see……

to get us back on track….

rego said,

I am in favor of no-el. majority of the people doesn’t really know how to vote. this democratic exercise has really become an exercise of futility for a democratic country such as Philippines….the data is there…..

zigen said,

it doesn’t matter how many times we fall….. what is important we stand up and fight again…. sometimes in our lives, we as individual do make mistakes… as we are humans, we are not perfect! but with those mistakes we commit we as a nation is learning so much from those mistakes! we don’t simply give up on something just because majority doesn’t know how to do it…. then how could they learn if we don’t let them try again. like i told you, kung mas nakakaalam ka, mas marunong, mas edukado, at mas magaling… GOD doesn’t gave you that abilities para hamakin ang iba. try to share them to others… and give them room for mistakes and learn from it….. yan ay kung mas marunong ka nga magisip… ok?

pero for me, i dont think that mas marunong ako sa iba…. or mas magaling… i dont consider myself having the greatest mind in this country! and i think never will i consider myself in that manner or even the majority… i dont think filipinos are “bobos”, filipinos are very bright and intelligent! the problem is our leaders and even some filipinos doesn’t want to listen to them! we need to listen to our less fortunate brothers more… help them in any which way we can! don’t judge them! so in time, we won’t also be judged! thanks!

Rego,

“you can’t accept a cheat president….but how about the rest of the officials. did they won honestly and fairly? and you can accept how they got elected but not the president? what kind of morals is that????selective yata??”

jr said,

I did not say that I’m accepting any cheating official, did I say that? If there are other officials who are caught cheating then they too have to be booted out of office. Bakit, may ebidensiya ka rin ba sa mga ibang officials? Sino-sino ba ang mga eto? Meron din ba silang version ng “hello garci” tapes? Umamin din ba sila? Nagsorry din ba? It’s not just about morals. I’m talking of evidence here. if you’re that smart figure it out.

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“you want to violate the constitution by suggesting that we should not hold the election in 2007. ”

>>> I was referring to the proposal of no election shall be held in 2007….

>>>>this is only a proposal, in implementing a change sometime you go around the law. di ba meron namang plebicite na i dadaos kung gusto nga ng tao o hindi yung proposal. what’s the big fuss????

Jr said,

You have to take note that the proposal for a no-el by the con-com is meant for the proposed cha-cha. You are not in favor of the cha-cha but you want a no-el. How is that? And there is no scheduled plebiscite yet for your information. At hindi rin tungkol sa no-el ang tatalakayin sa plebiscite kundi ang cha-cha. It seems you’re confused already.

You are saying with your statement above that you do want an election but then you said below,

“…it’s not only about the president. with your statement it suggests that we should not hold elections anymore even in 2010.”

“>>> Hindi po eto ang gusto sinasuggest ko. Ang alam ko ang pianuusapan dito ay ang No Election sa 2007…and Im sticking to that.

But come to think of it, what good has the previous election brought to our country? And what is the guarantee that teh next election will bring us any good? If something is not doing any good to you , to me, and to everybody, what is the practicality of doing such thing?”

Jr said,

Very contradicting statements. Ano ba talaga, you’re in favor of elections or a dictator? Maybe you should be more specific. Do you mean we should not hold election for the president but continue with the local and the senatorial races? Or you want the whole “IMPRACTICAL” election process be scrapped and keep all the sitting officials now so that they can bring us to that great “First World State” that’s a subject of your fascination. Hello, have you forgotten marcos and the gangs already? How many years we were under marcial law? Oh I see, you want to keep all those tongressmen who help keep your fake president in power by killing the impeachment process and by letting them hold on to their seats in a way also ensuring that any future impeachment process will fail. That’s very clever indeed.

As for me, as I’ve said, I rather take my chance with the ” IMPRACTICAL” election process instead of giving up. That’s the only way to get rid of those corrupt and abusive officials. Eventualy, the people will learn and wisen up. And with the right comelec programs such as computerization, cheating will be eradicated. I don’t mind our country becoming a “first world state” everyone is dreaming of that but I want it done with a legitimate government.

Am I over-reacting? Maybe. But only for people as objective as you are.

3zz-fe said,

paano nga kung ang defecto ay yung presidente ng ating bansa. ang kanyang pandaraya! hindi kaya bago mo busisiin ang blue print nya hindi ba dapat siya muna ang busisiin mo? kasi manloloko, mandaraya, SINUNGALING, magnanakaw! yun lang…. sana naliwanagan ka na sa mga comments nung iba. ano sa tingin mo? kasi kahit anong klaseng blue print yan…. wala din mangyayare dba? kasi after 20 years sasabihin lang nya sa iyo… “I AM SORRY”

>>>>Ha ha ha ha nakakatawa nga!!!
Get over with it will you????

rego,

ikaw ang nakakatawa sa mahaba mong litanya that doesn’t make sense. I AM SORRY if you cannot grasp the idea that we are trying to convey to your (good) senses.

anayway, what is so interesting or contradicting with my comments about electoral reforms? did i say we stop instituting reforms while at the same time pushing for the removal of the cheat president? what is stopping us now or the comelec from having a computerize election system while trying to work for the removal of the fake president? are you saying because we are protesting, everything will be in a standstill? ang babaw naman ata noon. so you’re saying na lahat ng mga incumbent officials now ay manatili sa kani-kanilang puwesto habang hindi pa naaayos ang election process or say habang wala pa ang computerized system? sa tingin mo alin kaya ang mas delikado at mas disadvantageous sa bansa, ang suggestion mo or we continue with the constitutional process? why not look at what’s happening in africa? eh paano kung masarapan na sa puwesto yang mga nakaupo ngayon at ayaw ng umalis at hindi na rin isulong yung pagbabago na ninanais ng lahat? ano na kayang mangyayari sa atin? maaabot pa kaya natin ang sinasabi mong “first world state”? tanong ko lang.

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“so its OK for other human being to make mistakes, but not PGMA? Its Ok for other people to survived his personal crisis but not PGMA? OK ang lahat sa ibang tao pero lahat hindi OK kay PGMA?”

my GOD, what are you talking about. sinasabi mo na parang napakaordinaryo lang ng pagkakamali ni glue-ria kaya ok lang na pabayaan na lang? hello, she’s occupying the highest position of the land. and you want us to treat her with kids gloves? nasundan mo ba ang nangyari sa nakaraang SEA games where the phils eventually became the champion? the thai ptime minister without any evidence accused the phils of cheating. his accussation is not because of the games per se but more attributed to the ongoing political crisis in the country. our neighbors knew that glue-ria cheated in the last election.

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“He he he he where were you during or every election period? And what about the tapes? Is that a legal evidence in court? Dont we have a Anti wire tapping law? You dont like the alleged cheating
recorded on tape but you re OK with a wiretapped tape that were obtained elligally?”

in the first place, who ordered the wire tapping? dapat doble pa ang kaso. and may i ask you also, did you hear the tapes? do you believe that it was glue-ria talking to garcillano on the tape? why did glue-ria admitted that she talk with garcillano? why did she say “SORRY”? so, her sorry is enough for you dahil ika mo nga if we can let go of the mistakes of others why not glue-ria.

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“Kung ang current election process ay susciptible nga sa cheating, di kaya questionable talaga ang results ng mga previous election from the president down to the baranggay officials??? Di kaya naging selective lang kayo sa presidente? At pagdating doon sa ibang elected officials biglang nag denial stage na kayo?

Di kaya mas makabubuti, na ayusin na muna ang election system bago mga election uli?

At kung maayos na ang election system OK election na kaagad. Eh kung maayos na yan bukas. Eh di Okay mag election na tayo bukas!!!! ”

there’s no denial here. everyone knows there is cheating going on every election year but being caught cheating is one thing. even in the local scenes if you do not know, elections protest are everywhere. if there is a solid evidence some incumbents are removed. there is a process for local executives and even in the national level. but the process that is called impeachment for your fake president was killed! kaya yang sinasabi mo na itigil muna ang election at ayusin muna ang systema ay suntok sa buwan. yan ang sagot ko sa tanong mo.

siyanga pala, ba’t mo naman nasabi na ang tenure ni glue-ria is 10 years? gusto mo na rin bang mabago ang termino ng presidente?

isa isahin ko lang ahh… medyo andami mong sinabi eh… hehehe and i will all caps my comments para malinaw but dont get me wrong i am not angry or something…

1st….
rego said,
January 11, 2006 @ 2:35 pm

zigen said,

i will throw the question back to you…. how can you be objective in your views if you didn’t bother to read the rest of the thread? then how can you know the pros and cons if you wont bother reading the thread? see……

to get us back on track….

>>>>> From the people whose writings is overflowing with PGMA name calling? What I shoudl expect ? A never ending litanies of ” I was cheated of course….

From 3zz-fe: Did you answer the question or you are evading it? did you or did you not read the thread? How can you be objective in your views if you didn’t bother to read the rest of the thread? then how can you know the pros and cons if you wont bother reading the thread?

pasensya na….. hindi mo kasi sinagot eh….

2nd…..
zigen said,

it doesn’t matter how many times we fall….. what is important we stand up and fight again….

>>>>>Oh good that youknow that we all have the capability to stand up again and fight. But dont you think it would be easier to do that by letting go of you burdens firts? Mas magaan, di kaya?

From 3zz-fe: I dont have any burdens. simply because i was not the one who lie, cheat and steal, so maybe you are referring to GMA who should let go of her burden first…. I dont consider searching for the truth a burden but rather an honor…. Maybe you have a burden to let go?

3rd…..
zigen said

sometimes in our lives, we as individual do make mistakes… as we are humans, we are not perfect! but with those mistakes we commit we as a nation is learning so much from those mistakes

>>>>So its OK for other human being to make mistakes, but not PGMA? Its Ok for other people to survived his personal crisis but not PGMA? OK ang lahat sa ibang tao pero lahat hindi OK kay PGMA?

From 3zz-fe: This is my favorite part…. hahaha LOL. Has PGMA (Cheat executive) acknowledge that she committed a mistake genuinely? What mistake did she commit? Had she already repented? hahaha

I hope by your meaning of mistake. It is not deliberately (i say deliberately because the phone can not make a call on its own) calling an election commisioner and asking him to rig the election in your favor, using the Armed Forces to ensure that you win the election, printing extra certificates of canvass, kidnapping or threatening to kidnap an election officer who is just doing his/her job appropriately and was willing to testify about the irregularities he/she had experience during the elections. LOL because for me that is called a “crime” hahaha

But for arguments sake rego, Let just take your point that it was just a mistake…. Dont you think it is just proper for anybody to step down that office? not mentioning that she is the highest ranking official of this land…. which should set the example and have the highest “delikadeza”… because she deliberately rig the elections in her favor… hahaha see…. i hope you are reading my comment and not ignore it because i am name calling…

4th….
3zz-fe said,

paano nga kung ang defecto ay yung presidente ng ating bansa. ang kanyang pandaraya! hindi kaya bago mo busisiin ang blue print nya hindi ba dapat siya muna ang busisiin mo? kasi manloloko, mandaraya, SINUNGALING, magnanakaw! yun lang…. sana naliwanagan ka na sa mga comments nung iba. ano sa tingin mo? kasi kahit anong klaseng blue print yan…. wala din mangyayare dba? kasi after 20 years sasabihin lang nya sa iyo… “I AM SORRY”

>>>>Ha ha ha ha nakakatawa nga!!!
Get over with it will you????

From 3zz-fe: I do hope you dont answer this comment with “Get over with it will you???” comment of yours… hahahaha pero i will still accept that rebuttal if you already gone out of arguments…. hahahaha

3zz-fe,

your observation is quite correct. rego is selective of his answers. he is evading on some issues or as what you have said maybe he’s gone out of arguments as evident on your last paragraph.

Im sorry, not to ignore you but there is really nothing much to reply about on your post.

You are all saying one thing, “you were cheated” over and over and over and over and over and over and over again….

and you simply just can’t get over it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that makes you all a bunch of L – O – S – E – R – S.!

And your award: LOSER OF THE YEAR!

Bye bye bye, Id rather keep my distance, bago ako mahawa sa negative aura nyo!!!!!!!!!

Ay hindi po ako nag na name calling lang. I am telling you straight in face the fact you and you ilk were such a big L-O-S-E-R-S because that what you really are. Go check you self out in fron t of the mirror and be honest to yourself.

Ang maganda sa inyo, mag suot kayo ng T-shirt or any kind of uniform. Tapos may nakasulat na ” I was cheated” para di na kayo mahirapan sa pagsisigaw. Save you much energy…

Im sure your mga taong makakasalubong sa inyo will only have one thing to say. and that is:

” What a pathetic loser” !!!!! sabay iwas sa inyo……

Eh kasi po lahat ng binabato nyo eh umiikot lang dun sa pathetic emotional state nyo brought about by you feel that you have cheated.Hindi nyo rin naman sinagot ang mag binabato ko sa inyo . An d the standard reply is you were cheated. Gosh kung totoo mang nandaya si PGMA, hindi lang po ikaw ang nadaya. ikaw, kami, tayong lahat! But whiel we get over it, you and ilk sulk and sink in your self pity that you were cheated. Wala naman matinong mapag uusapan sa inyo kasi it all boils down to your personal issue that you were cheated. Kaya nga ang advise ko sa inyo eh e deal nyo muna ang personal issues with tregards to how you were cheated by PGMA bago kayo mag deal sa national isssues. Because unless you do that nothing positive will really come from you. Kasi wala kayong ibang sasabihin kundi negative eh. Lahat ng argumento nyo umiikot ikot lang sa pagiging talunan nyo. So the best objective for you and your ilk is just to simply tell it and your face that you are such a bunch of a pathetic loser. With the hope of making you realized that you really are. And leave to all of you the very personal decision, which you alone can really decide for your self, if wanna stay as losers or you want to become a winner from there on…..

ano kamo? sorry di ko magets. medyo nagiging incoherent na ang mga comments mo. mahirap magsulat pag mainit ang ulo. clear your mind first and gather your thoughts. kakatawa nga.