MAKING sure that a “Lozano maneuver” won’t happen this time, citizen complainants comprising over 200 private citizens and organizations kept a vigil at the Batasan complex parking lot last night prior to filing the second impeachment complaint against Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo this morning at the House of Representatives.

The citizen-led complaint was filed by lead complainants as early as 8:00 a.m. today with the office of House Secretary-General Roberto Nazareno and was endorsed by opposition congressmen, House Minority Floor Leader Francis Escudero and San Juan Representative Ronaldo Zamora. It would be immediately transmitted to Speaker Jose de Venecia when the 13th Congress’s third regular session opens this July.

Today marks the lapse of a one-year constitutional prohibition against the filing of an impeachment complaint against Arroyo, an impeachable official.

On May 26 last year, lawyer Oliver Lozano filed an impeachment complaint against Arroyo ahead of everybody else, including the opposition, amid mounting calls for her resignation over charges of corruption and election fraud as depicted in wiretapped conversations between Arroyo and former poll commissioner Virgilio Garcillano.

The former Marcos lawyer’s complaint proved to be a weak one, which the opposition tried to remedy by filing an amended impeachment complaint. But Arroyo’s allies in the House would vote on a technicality to bar the amended complaint — which only managed to get 59 signatures, short of the 79 (or one-third vote) required to immediately send it to the Senate for trial — and another one filed by lawyer Jose Rizaldo Lopez, in consideration of a rule that only one impeachment case could be considered in a year.

In an unprecedented marathon session, the plenary, voting 158-51 (with 6 abstentions and 21 congressmen failing to vote), then threw out the remaining Lozano complaint for insufficiency in substance. (Archive of posts on last year’s impeachment can be accessed here.)

Though Arroyo has denied any culpability, she has refused to squarely address the allegations, which has only continuously sparked protests and restiveness in the military, some of whose generals and other senior officials were also implicated in the 2004 electoral fraud but were later absolved by its own fact-finding body.

In the new impeachment complaint, Arroyo is again charged for corruption, the alleged massive cheating in the 2004 elections, and the unabated murders of activists since she assumed power in 2001. A new charge involves Arroyo’s attempts to crack down on anti-government protests and to block investigations into allegations of wrongdoing — acts that the Supreme Court later declared unconstitutional.

The charges, in summary, are as follows:

  • Arroyo exercised dictatorial powers to silence, if not stifle, political dissent arising from her illegitimate presidency. Charges of obstruction of justice, EO 464, CPR and 1017, Daily Tribune, the Batasan 5, electoral fraud.
  • Arroyo committed crimes against humanity. She abetted, if not encouraged, the systematic and widespread killings of political dissidents and journalists to silence criticisms lodged against her and to continue her illegitimate hold on power.
  • Arroyo criminally concealed her conjugal assets, engaged in graft and corruption, and entered into illegal government contracts. The Jose Pidal accounts, PIATCO bribery, North Rail; jueteng; as well as illegal withholding of the Internal Revenue Allotment.

Anticipating the filing of a second impeachment complaint, Arroyo’s election lawyer, Romulo Makalintal has insisted that the House cannot entertain any new impeachment complaint since the Supreme Court has yet to act on a petition filed by the opposition to nullify the House decision last year.

Subscribing to Makalintal’s view, Lozano also said he has already re-filed his earlier complaint, expecting the House to promptly dismiss the new impeachment complaint.

But University of the Philippines law professor Harry Roque, one of the lead counsels for the citizen complainants, said both Makalintal and Lozano’s assertions have no legal basis.

To Lozano’s claim of having re-filed his old impeachment complaint, Roque says that “per House construction, any complaint prior to today is barred.”

Adressing Makalintal, Roque said, “(He) is wrong. The case would still be alive if we went up on ordinary appeal. W did not. We went up to the Supeme Court on certiorari alleging grave abuse of discretion. We thus recognized that the amended impeachment complaint is dead unless nullified by the SC.”

Roque said that like in the case of Proclamation No. 1017, he hopes that the Court will still issue a decision despite the mootness of the issue. “The matter is capable of repetition,” he said.

Download the second impeachment complaint here.

75 Responses to New impeachment complaint vs Arroyo filed today as ‘one-year bar’ lapses

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freewheel

June 26th, 2006 at 1:59 pm

the charge sheet is compressed and clearly better packed than last year’s.

i also like better the list of complainants, which to my mind, is broadly represented by differing stripes and persuasions; cannot help but notice the exclusivity of One Voice.

taking cudgels for the legal battle are no fools, obviously mindful and upset of 2005’s ‘technicality glitches’.

in case the usurper in malacanan have not noticed it yet, important charges filed were freshly ruled and recently vindicated by the SC itself; expect a much, much more interesting tussles from everywhere.

hmm.., this one is truly deserving of our support, if you ask me.

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Jon Mariano

June 26th, 2006 at 3:47 pm

Very interesting indeed! Better than the korean and spanish telenovelas! Well, I’m just speaking for myself of course. It might be that the majority of the korean and spanish soaps don’t care about the impeachment!

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Jon Mariano

June 26th, 2006 at 3:48 pm

…i meant korean and spanish soap fans…

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Juan Makabayan

June 26th, 2006 at 6:17 pm

‘Figures of Impeach’

2005 ,
Pre-fight odds: 9:1, against
Result: 158-51- 6

2006
Pre-fight odds: 3:1, against
Result: (pro impeachment – anti = + or -?)

2007
2008,9,10

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QuietVoice

June 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pm

Just, brace yourselves, Philippines. HOPE FOR THE BEST and expect the worst. Let’s see how things unfold…maybe this time around, things will be better for the Philippines without the lil’ one of Asia (Arroyo).

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Ambuot Saimo

June 27th, 2006 at 12:19 am

This time around we hope our Congressmen will vote as true “Representatives” of the will of the majority of the Filipino people.

To All Congressmen:
You were accused of being subservient to the whims and caprices of Gloria for being benefeciaries of “good graces” from this Administration which in effect reduced you to being member of the Palakpak Boys rather than being an Honorable Congressman.
This is your chance to redeem yourselves and prove to the Filipinos and the world that Gloria did not remove your “balls”.

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naykika

June 27th, 2006 at 1:14 am

Granted, the hearing of Impeachment Complaints be finally considered by congress, the Question is How Long will it to take to wrap the whole case, considering how that body’s manner of conducting its business and also taking into consideration the Number of Items of Complaints filed?? Also impeachment is just the first step (equivalent to indictment) and the Senate Trial to follow if the President is Indicted. I have the feelings that the obstructions of Pro- Administration members and the ever round-a-round maneuverings by all the smart lawyers; by the time they agreed on how to proceed, Ms Arroyo’s term maybe running out. My suggestion is, whoever is heading the hearing, if there is one, should have a very strict timetable to scrutinize each and every complaints, without allowing obstructions and so-called delaying tactics.

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schumey

June 27th, 2006 at 1:24 am

Ambuot,

If these “Tongressmen” will not the hear the voice of their constituents, let’s sue them for “misrepresentation” since they are our suppose to be our representatives. (Let’s punish them come 2007 or when GMA is kicked out, both politically and physically.)

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Theboss

June 27th, 2006 at 1:59 am

isa ako sa mga average na Filipino na mababa lang ang pinagaralan.ang kailangan lang namin ay ang mga kasagutan sa mga bintang kay GMA.kung may katotohan ba o wala. kung wala, suportahan siya sa kanyang mga programa, kung meron naman, sagutin niya at ipaliwanag niya sa taong bayan. hindi namin kailangan ang technicalities na sinasabi ng mga congressmen at ni atty. macaLINTAl.KATOTOHANAN LANG ANG NAISNAMING MGAMAMAMAYAN!!!!

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Toro

June 27th, 2006 at 7:36 am

Jon, the Korean and Spanish soap fans, if they could not care less about the impeachment, do not matter at this time. The impeachment blockbuster is written by private citizens, to be produced, directed and the characters portrayed by the members of Congress. This is strictly a congressional show and we await what kind of award congressional artists deserve after the curtain comes down. Would it be a kick-ass award or a reelection ticket award.

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baycas

June 27th, 2006 at 8:33 am

impeachment na ikalawa…
ano ba naman, mga walang sawa,
animo’y hunghang na walang kadala-dala?
‘di na lang ipagpatuloy mga sariling gawa.

eh, kung di ka ba naman makulit, gloria!
ikaw ito’ng walang pang-unawa.
mga akusasyon ipinagwawalang-bahala,
teknikalidad lamang ang ipinambabara!

panibagong reklamong akda
magandang hamak kaysa sa una…
nguni’t patuloy tayong nakatunganga
haharangin lang kasi sa nauna’y gaya.

gloria, para mo nang awa,
kay tagal na naming alintana,
kapos kami sa minimithing glorya…
mangyari lang na ang kaso’y sagutin na nang tama!

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ryebosco

June 27th, 2006 at 8:58 am

I think if we Filipinos were serious about changes, it would have taken place already. Here’s my wet blanket prediction:

This complaint/drama called “Run Like Hell by Filipinos” will have one grand premiere starring Zeneida “Nini” Quezon-Avancena. Its ratings will rise the first few weeks or months. Then, like any television shows, it will become boring and predictable. Eventually the show will be cancelled and its actors finding other drama series to star in. Same old faces, same old storyline, same old hellish drama over 80 million Filipinos are trapped in. May I scream, “FIRE!” inside this hellish theater?

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joselu

June 27th, 2006 at 9:47 am

Reybosco,
What kind of change?
Is it for the better or something out in the clouds lead by the same ol charcters who are a mix between the right & the left & the perpetual fencesitters?
Change using brasohan?
Change using threats?
Although most of the anti impeachment congresmen are final termers.
Stinks of desperation.
Is not our electoral system the demanding of favors for votes?
But at the end of the day it is the same ol characters all over again.
Those same ol characters that w/ all the drama in the heat of the issue where not able to convince the majority of people who want to move on.
Because in this dirty game of politics there are no winners.
At the end of the day it’s only US who are the greatest losers.
We are the ones who will remain forever backward.
The other countries w/ mature democracies prosper.
While tayo w/ all our hot air & division remain a basket case.
All we seem to be concerned about is some sort of freedom that has nothing to show for it..
In a country where “opposition” means to derail & block things & put up a shown for excitment seekers.

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Toro

June 27th, 2006 at 10:49 am

JM, expect the GMA allies in the House to trash the impeachment. GMA is doomed once the impeachment is elevated to the Senate where a majority of anti-GMA is sure to convict her. Expect a lot of horse trading in the House to kill the impeachment.

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joselu

June 27th, 2006 at 1:39 pm

Toro, yes the impeachment will be killed.Those putting their hope in it better think twice.It’s a political processes.Politics is about numbers.No amount of sindakan or threatening is the right answer for a partisan processes.In a democracy there are winners & losers.The problem w/ our culture is that loseing never accepted.Expect a litany of excuses & accusations from the impeachment crusaders.
I think that just like 1 year ago vital questions where not answered about what will happen after.
I think what really concerns the majority is the “after the storm” scenario.
Because obviosly the opposition charcters are not an option.
There is no way an impeachment can get to the “lions den” of a senate.Because what will happen is a forgone conclussion.
By the way the senate has been behaving they can hardly be considered unbaised judges.
Unlike the erap impeachment where in a way there was a sort of balance in the senate that erap himself felt confident, until his lawyers screwed it up & the rest is history.

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mindanaw

June 27th, 2006 at 4:31 pm

I’m sure the President’s camp will not approach this new “threat” sitting down. The impeachment will be killed, so they say, so be it. We have to give it to them: they have fielded “good fighters” in all frontiers! We even have some of these people among the PCIJ bloggers posting comments every now and then. I’m sure no one can claim to be objective here, you know, but, hopefully, at least they can be more transparent. Well, just thinking out loud.

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ricelander

June 27th, 2006 at 5:20 pm

Joselu,

“Change using brasohan?”
Sino ba’ng nambrabraso, Joselu?

“Change using threats?”
Who is threatening whom?

“Stinks of desperation!”
I imagine GMA kissing the Pope’s ring!

“In a country where “opposition” means to derail & block things…”
Kaya nga opposition, look up the dictionary. But two words stand out: ‘derail’ and ‘block’. Now think Hello Garci and Jocjoc Bolante; does it remind you a thing?

“While tayo w/ all our hot air…”
Yeah, I remember someone promising Enchanted Kingdom in hahaha 20 years!

“…the majority of people who want to move on.”
About moving on? Go Joselu if you must move on and bring your “majority” with you. There are things to fix up hereabouts…We know your kind. We see one everyday but they are not the majority..

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lutongmakaw

June 27th, 2006 at 6:40 pm

I can’t imagine what majority joselu is talking about. Here in PCIJ, the majority is against GMA. What’s more if we consider those silent majority. I suggest you re-examine your understanding of what majority meant.

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lutongmakaw

June 27th, 2006 at 6:48 pm

joselu said:

” Unlike the erap impeachment where in a way there was a sort of balance in the senate that erap himself felt confident, until his lawyers screwed it up & the rest is history.”

joselu, how much do you know about the erap impeachment? Its not the lawyer of erap who screwed up the opening of the envelope, its his allies in the senate. Be sure you comment correctly next time.

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joselu

June 27th, 2006 at 7:32 pm

ricelander, all I’m saying are facts.It may not sound plesant to your ears but let’s face it the impeachment was killed last year when you can say the issue was hot.
Yes, ricelander, proof that the majority want to move on is that the impeachment was killed last year when the issue was boiling.
Don’t mix na lang the Pope into the picture.
Do you know that God’s love shines on the good & the bad
Actually it shines on everybody.
So quit the filling better then the other thing.
It’s only man who is full of malice.
What is the opposition doing about helping the poor ricelander?
What programs do they have?
Those names lead to blank wall.
Piniga na ng mga congresmen si garci trying all their tricks.so what happened?
I would rather think of the poor people who need to be helped.
I would rather think of ways to improve our economy.
I would rather think of ways to generate jobs for the needy.
I don’t know about you.
what is it you can contribute to help others.

Ok Lutong, so it was his allies
The majority compared to the few noise makers
But the real buttom line is if ever there was a strong group gma should have been gone a long time ago.
fact is, she is still around & your still there huffing & puffing in your world.
wow naman lutong ang liit naman ng mundo mo – world = PCIJ
I guess you need some serious re exsamination of where your “small world” is.

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flag-waver

June 27th, 2006 at 7:53 pm

Joselu….

“Those putting their hope in it better think twice. It’s a political process(es). Politics is about numbers”.

I think you are correct, if the “Political Process” you mean is corrupt, the way that your kind of thinking is.

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joselu

June 27th, 2006 at 8:18 pm

flag, you mean the opposition are the “good guys” w/ no stain of corruption in them. hello flag. do you really know all those people leading you to? do you really know what their agendas are? what are they promising you that you are completely sold too? hello flag.
is not democracy the fight between majority & minority?

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naykika

June 27th, 2006 at 9:06 pm

No, no, joselu deomocracy is not really the fight between the majority & minority but more of who can come with better ideas for the welfare of the Democratic Institution, so the minority can become a majority and vice versa. Actually the minority is more of just a watchdog, so as the majority would stay in line, or otherwise, you know what a watchdog can do; He can bite you, or worse he can summon the cop and send you to jail. But fight no. Leave if Manny Pacquio, he’s good at it.

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Ambuot Saimo

June 27th, 2006 at 10:16 pm

Haaayyy!!! Umentra na naman si Jose Pidal a.k.a. Lulec alias Joselu. (joke only)
Joselu, how hard it is for you to accept the real truth- that your president does not have a mandate of the Filipino people. She’s desperately clinging to power by that little thread of suppressing the truth by putting tapes on the mouths of eveybody who know the truth. But for how long can she hide the truth? One way or another that little thread will snap and God forbade she’ll not fall on the hell of damnation. If she’s not hiding something let this impreachment grind itself up to the end. It’s her chance of proving her innocence. Yes, the last impeachment was killed by “majority” . But it’s not the majority who represent the will of the Filipino People but “majority” of the congressman who received lagays from Malakanyang. They are KungGreaseMen. They don’t deserve the title of being Congressmen.
Move on? How can we move on when Gloria herself is the greatest barrier.

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flag-waver

June 27th, 2006 at 11:23 pm

Joselu, hayan ka na naman pinaghalo mo na naman ang balat sa tinalupan, kaya tuloy nalilito kami sayo kung ano rin ba ang agenda mo. In a democracy there is no right or wrong kung saan ka kakampi as long as you have lived by the principle of integrity kung saan sa tingin mo ang tama, to bebate “not fight” as joselu wants to emphasize, ke minority ka or majority as long as both parties could come-up with a better solution for the betterment of the many (Im referring to a common tao). And to live with integrity is you know how to identify which is wrong and which is not. God gave us mind to think what is best for us and that is what we call our “decision”, and God gave us also heart to balance our thoughts and from what we about to decide, and that is our conscience, ikaw Joselu, meron ka ba nyan?

Anyway, I am not for sale, I lived here sa abroad for about 2 years now, I live with principle, kumita ng malinis and mamuhay ng malinis, just I pressumed sayo Joselu, don’t pretend na hindi mo nakikita ang kabulukan ni GMA and her minions, magpakatotoo ka. I think no need to elaborate more, alam na ng buong mundo kung ano ang gobyerno natin ngayon, kahit bangladesh dito na naglilinis ng daan kilala si GMA and si Chavit, (Alibaba ang tawag sa kanila), again Joselu magbago ka na.

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tongue in, anew

June 28th, 2006 at 4:09 am

Letseng numbers game yan! Kaya nagkahetot-hetot ang Pinas dahil diyan sa numbers game: jueteng, bingo 2-ball, EZ2, lotto, Special Llave, lotteng, ending, masiao, STL!

Sabi nga ni Bishop Cruz, siguradong tuloy na ang 2007 eleksiyon kasi balik na sa dati ang jueteng. Peste! Mga peste! Layas!

Move out!

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joselu

June 28th, 2006 at 9:46 am

Naykika, thanks, I think your being fair & objective.
Personaly, I see the adminisration is trying to come come w/ positive social programs.
Yes, the opposition is somesort of watchdog,fiscalizer, road-blocker etc….
My point is however that in this country the opposition in reality will do everything for the ruling party not to succeed since they will become irrelevant.
Because of all this “political play” it’s WE the people who have to suffer by having less services.
The thing is the opposition watchdog is barbark lang that creates more of a distruction lang.
It’s more of – if I can’t get what I want, then let’s go down all together.

hayyyyyyy ambot sa imo, surely she does not have ambots mandate & some others.
I don’t think it’s all about mandate.She surely does not have the understanding & cooperation of the people.
I think insted that we are letting ourselves be controlled by subjective perceptions that are not supported w/ facts.
Talking about the Garci tapes.
I think the garci scandal has two parts: The doers of the illegal act & the victim of the illegal act. What is more important to you.To find out who the “doers” of the illegal act are so that we may understand their motives, or patulan the victim.
Did the Senate investigate the tapes w/ it’s characteristic super powers & arrogance? Or it seems all they are interested in is the content.What kind of logic is it to investigate only the “content” & not caring to find out who did it? Why is it the Senate can’t get at the bottom of the doers of the tape? Is it because the doers of the tapes has also the goods on the senators?
Waht is the purpose of impeaching the victim of an illegal act when those behind the tapes will never surface anyway.Kung makalusot this manner of ousting a president who is to say the same trick will not be used again?
Ambot, I guess it’s beyound yourself & will be asking to much to use our God given brain to think harder.
I think the will of the majority is expressed through circumstances.If you are really convinced that the majority is against her & are convinced about the garci tapes then kindly tell me where is this majority you imagine?
I think it’s better to pray that the so called string does not break because you yourself don’t know what lies ahead.
Sadly, we don’t seem to be a very thinking analysing society.We seem to be a society that gets carried away w/ our perceptions & emotions & fillings.As if we are afraid to think harder.Everything always boild down to what “me/ako” fills.It’s always about “ako” just like corruption is “ako muna”.
We are supposed to be a catholic christian country but we also happen to be the most malicious & quick to judge the others based on our “fillings” lang.
Ambot, it’s always move on. don’t give excuses na lang, don’t pass the fault to the others.Passing the fault to others is a sign of weakness.Why, because of gma you can’t sleep cant eat… sobra naman at ang drama mo, hayyyyyy ambot sa imo
Just like when the American bases where here we would give the fault always to the Americans now wala ng base dito so who do we give the fault too?

Flag, since you leave abroad good for you so that at least you can have a future.I too leaved abroad for many years, kinda grew up abroad where everything is surely much better then it is here.I’m here insted in this sea of madness unlike others who abandon ship & try to sound nationalistic.But I understand.
I can’t do much when some people see more things then are really there & at the same time can’t be an actual part & be an asset for change.
You sound nationalistic lang but sound lang.
Sorry Flag, I’m not a complainer.I would rather look for solutions.I would rather look for the positive & build on it.I don’t beleave in excuses.I would rather face reality & deal w/ it insted of all those who make a lot of noise at wala naman nabubuga.

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flag-waver

June 28th, 2006 at 2:31 pm

I strongly support the endorsement of the second impeachment, because this is the only option or the best resort to end the nation’s crisis and for GMA to clear her name, and alam natin lahat na mahirap ang dadaanan natin in time na ito magprosper especially when it will effect in our economy, but we have to go with the impeachment because if not, and this second impeachment will be voted out again by the GMA allies, the very basic foundation of our democracy is gone, and so as our freedom.

To correct Joselu of his so called “the majority”, I believe that the majority we are referring to is the common tao who wants GMA out whats left in the minority now is the tongressman and the illegal occupants in malacañang. Impeachment Joselu, should prosper or else this debate of “ligitimacy” will not end. Kami dito sa labas ng bansa nanuod, nakikiramdam dahil kung ano man ang desisyun ng kinararami, or worst magkagulo dahil yung sa sinasabi personal interest is above all (particularly those people in malacañang) apektado tayo lahat, mas mabuti pa kayo dyan dahil abot kamay nyo lang ang pamilya nyo, but what about us here who needs to take a flight 8 or 10 hrs in order to reach the Inang Bayan or worst baka di pa kami payagan ng mga employers namin umuwi sakaling magkagulo di ba mahirap yun? This second impeachment is critical that is why those GMA-allies Congressman should think twice, not the sponsor of this impeachment case.

We understand also the situation of GMA, sino ba naman ang gusto magpakulong, but crime does not pay, kaya ka nga binigyan ng Dyos ng utak para magisip at puso para e-balance kung ano ang iniisip mo, but GMA did not realize this she has an evil in her hearts kaya sumobra sa kaiisip na ang resulta ay naging masama kaya andito tayo ngayon, languishing of her wicked thoughts. Ikaw Joselu nararamdaman mo na ba yung hirap ng dinaranas ng biktima na kasamaan ni GMA, yung biktima ng political killings, yung biktima ng extorsion,kami dito sa labas naging biktima rin kami ng maling pammaraan ng pang gobyerno, eh kung meron lang maatinong kita dyan ba’t andito kami sa labas nagtitiis sa amoy at ugali ng ibang lahi, worst pa yung yung kita ng OFW (remittances) ninanakaw pa kaya dapat substantial ang benefits na binibigay sa OFW pero sad to know hindi. I know hind mo nararanasan ito kaya its easy for you to defend the evil GMA, anyway its not our concern kaya magsamasama kayo.

Let the impeachment begin.

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sober_ben

June 28th, 2006 at 3:38 pm

Retro Mania. Haha

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joselu

June 28th, 2006 at 4:29 pm

Flag, since when do you impeach a person based on a questionable illegal tape that nobody will ever admit to doing.
Surely, the issue will never end because there is no way the tapes will ever be authenticated.
In reality a senate investigation will be enough to find out who are the people behind the tape.
Question is why are the senators not keeping themselves busy trying to get to the bottom of the tape.
All they seem to give attention too is the content.
If indeed a person should be impeached. The first rule is that the eviodence must be verifyable & authentic.In the case of the gaci tapes,there must be a person to admit to the tape.You don’t have to beleave me, just ask any lawyer.
I don’t think it’s right to use an impeachment processes in order some peoples curiosity or incapacity to understand things.
Because, such a processes will cause the economy dearly.
Not to mention that it is a “political partisan processes”.
It is not a court of Justice where evidence beyound resonable doubt is needed.
I think there is no debate on legitimacy.
I think many “level minded” people recognize that GMA won fairly & squarely.
Statistics have shown it.
I think the real problem in communicating facts is that certain people refuse to accept matters & would rather hang-on to their perceptions & subjective fillings.
The great dificulty is that some people jump to conclussions w/o having all the facts at hand.
Anyway Flag, if you want to leave in a world of doubt, it’s up to you.
Unfortunatly those who don’t want to beleave get lift behind in the real world.
I don’t think the world should stop turning for those few that have made up their minds already.
I don’t think any amount of sindakan or takotan will bring you closers to the answers you are demanding.
Real life in the real world is about using your brains to think hard.
Flag, seems that your getting too emotional & imagineing lots of things that are not there.
Flag, eassy lang sa self pitty.
All of us are victims of bad governance.You or anybody else does not have the monopoly to it.
Since it seems that you are an OFW, saludo ako sa iyo.Show them that the pinoy is the best & can be trusted because that is the truth
Flag, your getting me wrong just like so many others do.I’m not defending anybody.
All I’m trying to do is to look at the bigger picture of things.I do not harbor hate or malice to judge other people as if I had the monopoly of the truth.I think that just like any human being wants to be treated fairly, we too must be fair to othrs.
I think that the entire situation has been blown out of proportion.
Why is it so impossible to beleave that there is no dirty partisan politics behind all these ugly things.Since when does anybody have to hide or do something illegal to come out w/ the truth?
perhaps the truth is that there is always somebody ready to play w/ our emotions & weaknes to achive other ends.

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gwaping

June 28th, 2006 at 4:35 pm

hello joselu, seems you’re taking alone the cudgels huh? don’t worry, warm up lang ako….

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gwaping

June 28th, 2006 at 5:22 pm

2nd impeachment seems well prepared, complete with drama and propaganda, fine, no problem with that as both sides are doing it anyway.

The equation now is: Old Charges + New Charges + New (?) Complainants = Impeachment Proceedings.

The complainants and the endorsers want the congress to discuss the merit of the charges, they won’t settle for TECHNICALITIES (technicalities in their own view). Accordingly they want to give Gloria her day in court. But isn’t it that ALL the complainants and the endorsers had already CONVICTED Gloria, they said SHE IS GUILTY, RIGHT? So what’s the point of the impeachment proceedings? Ahhh, the complainants and the endorsers wanted GLORIA to be ousted through that means. However, since day 1 we already knew that that won’t happen. Then that is when POLITICS enter, sorry for the opposition, sorry for the complainants and the endorsers, THEIR POLITICS at this time is still WEAK to be able to get what theywant. So the solution for them is to strengthen their politics, they won’t get what they want in this ‘retro.’ Well, reality is reality.

Maybe if they are claiming that MAJORITY supports the OUSTING of GLORIA, specially in Metro Manila, then they can repeat an EDSA barring all obstacles. If they can’t do that, isn’t it a manifestation that their claim of MAJORITY support is fiction? A propaganda? Well we can’t confirm that till it happened.

Now regardless if Gloria is guilty or not (ooopppsss guilty according to the MAJORITY of PCIJ bloggers), this RETRO MANIA will most likely continue until 2010 (unless something develop out of 2007 election and cha-cha). Then what do we do? It’s a stalemate! Walang kukurap!

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gwaping

June 28th, 2006 at 5:27 pm

http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=7084

…..and this is the true color of the opposition, see, anybody still dreaming that ther’ll be impeachment proceedings minus the technicalities? whewww!

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joselu

June 28th, 2006 at 5:35 pm

gwaping, ok lang, heheheh.
gwaping, I don’t know if there is a majority.All I know is that there are the same ol people over & over again a mixed of radicals & the know it better then the other cicvil society groups & these characters mixed together call themselves “majority”.
the thing is people power wont happen cause particularly the middle class realize that they are just being used as pawns by others.
personaly, I think the chacha thing will move on & next year will be a plebicite.
But, sadly, true to our culture of never accepting defeat.Those same ol characters will never stop.
What the SC has to say will be very important on how events will move.

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gwaping

June 28th, 2006 at 5:41 pm

…well, joselu, give it to them, perception or truth, their claim of majority will remain as a CLAIM until they realized and gained from it.

Pleae read my post re: true colors of the opposition congressmen, nakakatawa.

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joselu

June 28th, 2006 at 7:05 pm

ok gwaping, just read the opposition are having problems among themselves.Escudero seems to be on the way out.They are complaining that they are not getting their pork barrels cause Escudero is doing nothing.Guess his to busy for his senatorial ambitions.That is if there will be any senate yet.Baka the church gets so desperate that they decide to take over the oppostions position.
Where can I find your post nga pala?

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Ambuot Saimo

June 28th, 2006 at 11:38 pm

Joselu,
Magpahinga ka naman baka mabinat kana niyan. Seems you’re working too hard defending your president. Reserve your evergy because comes July you will be working 24 hours. Anyway, it’s okay because I suppose you are just doing your job like that clown Mike Defensot or morally obligated because of your affinity with the illegetimate Malakanang occupants. This reminds me of that clown Iraqi Minister of Information telling the world that Saddam’s Iraqi forces had routed the invading coalition forces even when Bagdhad was already declared an open city.
As to the Garci Tapes, there’s no more need to inquire into the source because Gloria (or your mother) admitted it already in public in that “Im Sorry” speech. In law parlance particularly on the law on evidence it can be admitted as an exception to hearsay rules being an “admission against one’s interest.” In short, she is now estopped from denying its authencity.
I searched my soul of whether despite everything she did, I, (as part of the constituent) will just forgave Gloria and move on. But after a careful reflections and balancing the would-be-be consequences, I have concluded that being silent will not help alleviate the present situation and will not help Gloria herself because if she will not clear her name now she will forever carry the monicker as Gloria “Madayang” Arroyo. And if I am a member of the Macapagal’s family I would recommend that she not use Macapagal in her name because it’s in a derogation to the good name of the family. The old man Diosdado is so an honest man such that during his presidency he did not even able to concrete the roads on his hometown. Gloria is supposed to have a very superb genetics and I wonder if she’s a eugenics-type experiment gone bad or something else.
Being silent is akin to “walang kibo pero nasa loob and kulo” a ticking time bomb. Dealing with a person like that is very hard because that person may “explode” anytime. Unwittingly, it would also funnel further chaos because the unsettled questions will be forever hanging on everybody’s mind and it would be a bad precedent in the future. If we will let it go now, our future generation will think that cheating is just a norm of society and it’s okay to cheat your way .
Majority? Look at the surveys or in this blog for that matter!!!
Escudero senatorial ambitions? He’s just a messenger!!!
Moving on? Everybody wants to move on but Gloria is the Great Wall of China!!!

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Ambuot Saimo

June 29th, 2006 at 2:06 am

Ooopps…it’s a “declaration against one’s interest” or “admission” as exceptions to the hearsay rules in evidence.

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 9:23 am

Ambuot, you give so many excuse, admit it di mo lang kaya mag move on & understand kaya pinapasa mo sa iba ang kasalanan.parang di ka na makatulog, makapagtrabaho, kawawa ka naman,dahil sa isang tao palpal ka na.ano pa kaya sa mga ibang bagay wala ka siguro mabubuga.puro palusot na lang palagi.
I guess it’s not possible to reason w/ you.But ok lang, iba iba talaga lahat tayo.There are people who learn faster then the others.There are others whoes world is so small.
Saying “sorry” & admittingare two different thing.But you did not listen when she also said that she did not cheat.Sorry for talking to a comelec commissioner.But then again everyone listens only to what he wants to listen.
Do you know who did the tapes?
do you remember that in the congress report of the garci tapes it was mentioned also that all was part of a power grab.
But anyway, I won’t insist na lang.
I guess you hear only what you want to hear & understand.Anything that will not please you is not acceptable.
I guess for you what is important is the whatever contents that the messenger brings, di bale na lang kung where it comes from.ang dali mo palang lokohin.kahit ano ano lang tatangapin mo.
what is your secret to make quick conclussions even when you don’t have all the facts? You must be a very smart guy.
anyway ambout, it’s not worth to get divided for politics that won’t even make you a better person.

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 9:59 am

Hi joselu.

You wrote earlier that “Escudero seems to be on the way out.They are complaining that they are not getting their pork barrels cause Escudero is doing nothing.”

I beg to disagree.

Though I’m a lawyer, but to put it on record, so to say : I’m not here to defend Escudero as a client but in the spirit of objectivity and as a compañero as well.

It is given the opposition are besieged by some disagreements but It is completely erroneous to attribute it to the pork barrel much more to Escudero’s failure of not doing something.

First, it is not the work of Escudero, as a legislator, to release said pork barrels due to him and his co-oppositionists.

Under our present governmental system, such function belongs to the Executive, specifically to the one “glueing” there in Malacañang.

Second, due to the penchant of this administration of favoring a re-enacted budget, the one”glueing” there, has the entire government resources at her discretion.

In effect, the opposition are practically put under her mercy as they would literally and figuratively beg and pray to her for the release of said pork barrels.

Third, the disagreements in the opposition could be loosely attributed, under the pain of being a hearsay, to the stratagems employed by the president’s men to wreck havoc within their ranks.

Did you ever wonder why Rep. Jing Paras vaulted out? Why Rep. Imee Marcos is saying the otherwise? Why partlist Rep. Amang Magsaysay withdraw his signature in the last impeachment complaint?

Go and try to figure out :)

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gwaping

June 29th, 2006 at 11:31 am

indio lawless, please read this,

http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=7084

it’s clearly indicated here that some opposition congressman are not happy from the lack of effort of Escudero in helping them re: pork barrel. Bottom line, its pork barrel.

And still few issues are described to divide the minority. One is the jockeying for position, seems a lot of them wanted to be a leader. Envy is manifested also because (according to them) Escudero is vying for a senatorial position in 2007. But what is not so good is the LACK OF CONVICTION from some of them who WILL SIGN ONLY IF 79 IS ASSURED. Isn’t that a character of an OPPORTUNIST?

Eta Rosales already admited a break in their ranks, don’t you believe her?

Just like the majority, the minority is also exposed to potential falling out. It seems to appear though that the RISK IS MUCH HIGHER to the minority. It is inaccurate to say that the perceived division in the opposition is because of the STRATAGEMS EMPLOYED BY THE PRESIDENT’S MEN TO WRECK HAVOC within their ranks. Partly maybe but not the only reason, anyway BOTH PARTIES ARE EXPECTED TO DO THE SAME, do you agree? Propaganda or otherwise, let’s wait who’ll break up first? Who’ll blink first?

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flag-waver

June 29th, 2006 at 1:41 pm

I believe that it is not wrong for Escudero to run for senator in the 2007 election, what maybe wrong is that in order for him to win is to cheat when the election comes, there is no impropriety if he announce that he will run for senator in the next election, what maybe the impropriety if he announce that he will join for the administration and abandoning the cause just to seek funds for his election bid and to ensure his winning in courtesy of Abalos and Garci generals. ooppppsss,,that maybe is a clear mistake if he does that. Escudero is at his peak and so was he has so much time left for his political ambitions, And he is not corrupt (as i believe) unlike his counterparts in Malacañang, (if you knew who I mean).

Referring to within the ranks of opposition, I agree with indio, malacañang just got have to do with this, take the case of DAP election, the division of Drilon and Atienza’s political party and others, so how could we could not suspect malacañang na may ginagawang silang manuevering sa opposition may it be in hearsay type, bribing or maybe a spy inside the opposition, the scenario I think is clear na paranag madalas sinasabi sa atin na pag may hinahanap tayo eh sasabihin bigla sa atin na ” pag may ahas sa harap mo tutuklawin ka na, ayan oooo”.

GMA must do whatever may it takes just to be in power and not to be prosecuted, pero tanong ko sa nagsasabing mali para kay escudero or to whoever opposition congressman to run for senate, whatabout GMA that she say she she will not run but still tumakbo pa rin for president and not only that nandaya pa.

Look GMA!!! she is now with Santo Papa, kissing the finger and say she abolished the death penalty but during her VP in erap time she’s rallying for the conviction of echegaray. And not only that before she left she declared an all out war to Reds, and a continous summary killings and tortures of her political opponents, may it left, churchmen, or journalist.

So tell me is their integrity????? is their truth??? is their justice??? I believe there is none, and so does she must have a day in court. Remember during the interview by CNN during the death Pope John Paul II that she says she has the blessing from the pope for her to stood up as the new President for the EDSA dos, if only the dead Pope can rise from the dead surely she will told us how a great liar this woman can be.

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pm

indio, don’t you read the newspaper.I got those line from an Inq7 news item.Actually I just repeated it.
I dont to need to give the opposition the beisiged scenario.The opposition has never had a united front reputation anyway.It’s also not new that Escudero is having problems.
It seems to me their problem is about Escudero not doing anything to protect his fellow oppositionist.It seems that his fellow oppositionist would like that he being the head do something about it.perhaps it’s all a case of a weak leadership.
On the other hand.Just like the opposition can make life hard for the administration.The administration can also make life hard for the opposition by making it difficult for them to get their respective pork barrels althought they will also get it but the hard way.
I think the oppostion congresmen should be more concerned of being able to deliver projects to their constituents then playing politics.
Their being re elected will depend on how they where able to deliver & not the political games they played.
It’s all a balancing act.
Afterall, you should not bite the hands that feed you – the administration.
But like I said it’s just a news item.
About those people who moved out of the opposition.I think it boils down to if your not happy w/ your company then you have to move on.

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 2:23 pm

Hi joselu and gwaping.

I do understand that you two have based your views on what you have read on what’s published in the net or in the paper itself.

I cannot fault the two of you then for taking hook-line-and-sinker on what the medium says.

Caveat, however, don’t believe everything what you see and read.

First hand info is never been better than a simple, if not pure hearsay.

Being a consultant of some of the legislators ( not necessarily those I’ve mentioned earlier) since the 9th Congress, I think I’m qualified to be an expert witness, though, again I can’t divulge everything on the ground of confidentiality as well as it is covered under the lawyer-client privilege.

But I invite you two again to go deeper…much,much deeper :)

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gwaping

June 29th, 2006 at 2:37 pm

ah, okay, how do you advise us taking PCIJ postings then? The same caveat?

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gwaping

June 29th, 2006 at 2:39 pm

flag-waver, and who says that it is wrong for Escudero to run for senator?

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 3:06 pm

Indio, it’s really just one of so many items of news.If you think about it, it’s nothing really new.Like I already said, it’s old news that the opposition have problems.It’s not about beleaving or not.
perhaps, what makes you extra sensitive about that news item is because the oppositio is leading the impeachment.So obviosly certain people would like to also hook line & sinker the others that the opposition is strong.Yes, a strong that could not master enough signitures last year & from the looks of it, seems that will have even less signitures also this year.
Indio, it’s not hearsay, it’s really, read-say, since it was a writen article in a newspaper available to everybody.
Unless media is the “hearsay” source w/c is very possible.
I guess you must know so many juicy secrets.

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 3:45 pm

flag, Escudero can run for senator, what’s your problem?

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 3:51 pm

Hi gwaping.

Res ipsa loquitor : the thing speaks for itself.

If you have any aiota of doubt with regard to PCIJ posting, then its your call.

The mere fact that you patronize their blog, already say a lot about you :)

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 4:00 pm

Hi joselu.

I don’t want to be labor you with evaluating what is a hearsay or not.

But if you re-read your sources, there is always, at least, two side of stories.

And if you are really that discerning in digesting your info’s, take a second look on the link provided above by your compatriot : gwaping,
and try to zero-in on the entry that starts with ” meanwhile, another source…..”

Any lettered person could cleary comprehend what it is all about :)

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 4:01 pm

Oopps, iota should be spelled iota :)

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 4:28 pm

indio, I don’t know why the fuzz for such a news item.You seem to be so affected.I always beleave that anything w/o any truth just fades away anyway.
Indio, correct me if I’m wrong but are you giving lesson on how to read news items?
Why so sensitive on the item?
If it makes you happy I will look for the “meanwhile….” part also.
So I supposed you want to say that you are a lettered person who is also authoritative & all that goes w/ it.
If that is so important to you, ok I’ll give you your space.
Ok, I won’t rock your pedestal na lang.
I don’t want to argue w/ lawyers cause I might not hear the end of it.
You might get dizzy

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 4:50 pm

Hi joselu.

Don’t second guess my intentions for its very clear from the start that it is all for the spirit of objectivity.

It’s quite unfortunate that you have relied heavily on a hearsay which you try to recycle as the ultimate truth just to win your case or justify your earlier posts.

I don’t blame you for taking the sides with the president : no matter how bogus she is–’cause that your choice or conviction.

But to create a spin, out of unreliable and sketchy report, and using it to make us believe that it is the bible truth, then I can surely blame you for being too gullible or being silly.

I’m not Alex, but I wish to remind you that as a blogger, you should be responsible in what you write and wish to project.

Affiant further sayeth not :)

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 5:07 pm

Indio, so if I created a spin as you say. Then what spin do you suggest I should take the next time.Because like it or not news items are a spin anyway.
Rather then pointing at me.The spin started when it was published.
I don’t think you could say that part of the news item was a lie.Afterall tell me of any news item that tells you the complete story.
Ok, I understand you are being objective
But as the same time can’t help but also be partisan.
Perhaps it’s you who are making conclussions that the report is a bibile truth.
becauseas I already said earlier it was just another news item.
Because in reality many things we read in media are far from the truth.
I guess you are just extra sensitive when it comes to matters of the opposition.
Ok, I undrstand you for that.
But if the opposition pushes a spin it’s ok.
Ok Mr. Know it All.
At first you gave the lame excuse of not defending anybody & being objective.
But I guess you just can’t hide what it is you really wanna say w/ the lame excuse of being objective.
So I guess you are w/ the opposition & your just doing your job w/ your lawyeing skills.
Guess you have to show it off so where.

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indio_lawless

June 29th, 2006 at 5:25 pm

Hi there again joselu.

You did not only second guess my persona but misjudged me as well.

Try to re-read again your earlier posts including your pathetic rebuttals, do they make sense? Sorry, I have to tell you frankly, I got a low tolerance to illogical rebuttals.

To recall where these disagreements emanated, you wrote this : “Escudero seems to be on the way out.They are complaining that they are not getting their pork barrels cause Escudero is doing nothing.Guess ”

I disagreed that you are getiing it wrong.

Still you rebutted, though your rebuttals degraded at it unfolds, I still try my best to guide you.

Now it appears that you don’t really have a good grasp on how this government is being run, much so on how this presidential form of government operates.

I suggests, try to google first on the prime basics before going into a political debate, it will better you.

Trust google :)

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gwaping

June 29th, 2006 at 5:40 pm

Indio, but you are the one who told that I should not believe TOTALLY of publications in the net or paper itself, I give respect to PCIJs posts the same respect I give to other medium.

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gwaping

June 29th, 2006 at 6:42 pm

hmmmm, talking of spins, let’s give indio another spin:

http://www.philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200606292606.htm

well maybe he can apply his skills in debate from google in proving that this is a spin. He’s a lawyer anyway and is pressumed that HE IS EXPERT in evidence appreciation. Read between the lines KNOW IT ALL LAWYER!

Obviously this professor in UP is biased for Gloria, opposite of many UP personalities that are against.

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lutongmakaw

June 29th, 2006 at 6:55 pm

Hi Indio, keep your cool. joselu has been like that way back since day 1. He is not only having the habit of talking in circle, but more of trying to confuse us with his mispelled words and diction. When I

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 7:15 pm

Indio, I guess you would like to remain mysterious so lets leave it at that.
Yes, so I said “it seems…….
It’s a conditional form, meaning to say something not sure.It’s not even an affirmation.
Again, something I got from the article.
Starting a sentence saying “it seems…” is for me taking the news as it is not taking it as you say as “bible truth”.
It seems is a conditional form.
Anyway, I don’t pretend anything.
I certainly not as smart as you project yourself to be.
And as I have already said that I would not want to get into an argument w/ a lawyer since I know i won’t see the end of it.
I’m not debating w/ anyone.I’m just expressing an opinion.
I’m sure you have all the answers too.
I’m sure as a lawyer you will find something to pick on anyway.
But i still think what I wrote was fair enough based on what I read and based on the history that in the past there have been disagriments w/in the opposition w/c is a perfectly normal thing anyway.That is why I don’t know why all the fuzz.It’s enough to say that such news item was a complete lie & this is what the facts are.
Seems like your overdoing it as a lawyer.I have always maintained that we really have to many lawyers in this country.perhaps your aborido in your work that you are just picking on an argument somewhere or perhaps it’s part of your job to check-out the blogs for other peoples interest.
Anyway, why don’t you set-up your own blog too.
I too have low tolerance for people who push their weight around.
I think the right attitude would be to supply the relativly correct information if you see that one information is wrong & not to go pretending not to defend this & that & objectivity , slant of a story etc…..or presenting your CV cause who really cares.
comming in to strong is a turn off Mr Lawyer

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joselu

June 29th, 2006 at 7:18 pm

Indio, don’t mean to be disrespectful but don’t take it personaly. It’s not worth disagreeing because of politics.There are better things in life

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naykika

June 29th, 2006 at 8:36 pm

You know what, lawyer or layman, phd or non-grad, the best guide to forming an opinion, I mean is not to trust nobody but your own brain. Read as much as possible, listen to all sides, gather as much facts as you can and just like a judge and a jury base your opinion on those. You could be wrong, but at lest you had exercised due deligence. And if you are consistently wrong, then maybe you have to go back to square one..

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jr_lad

June 29th, 2006 at 9:54 pm

the way i see it there are only two bloggers who are objective here. the rest are biased. :) too fast to belive the “alleged” stories they read in inquirer & the star (whooaa! who read the star anyway?).
and it’s not true either that they give much respect to pcij. reading their comments here it’s all about rebuttals on picj reports and the majority of the bloggers who agree w/ pcij.

but that’s ok. it makes the blog lively. ‘bring em on’. bring more objective people like these two. :)

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mindanaw

June 29th, 2006 at 10:08 pm

Haay, what lessons are we learning from these exchanges?

Maybe we need to pause and reflect about the meanings of it all. It would also really be of help if those who posted comments (especially those who lodged energies to discuss on the issue above) are more transparent about their identities. Wala lang mang link to their blogs (if any).

Of course I am thankful and also I feel lucky to have read the posts here and the subsequent comments. Salamat sa lahat who posted their opinion, ang sarap pala talaga when there is freedom of speech no?

But maybe we also need to reflect from time to time and not only assert, criticize and argue.

I really tried to grasp the nuances of the discussions and trying (to no avail) to pick up some valuable lessons so that I’ll end up not wasting my time.

Tuloy, it made ma ask myself: Ano ba talaga ang patutungohan ng talakayan dito? Meron bang purspose above self interests? Self expression lang ba? Pa bonggahan ng argumentative skills? Pa taasan ng ihi? Or are we here to build divisions, like pro Arroyo and anti-Arroyo?

Sa akin kasi, we have to debate, yes. But let the debates move towards a direction, if possible merong “end in sight” or resolution (napaka idealistic ko siguro). If possible we bridge understanding, compassion and sobriety di ba dapat yaon ang culture na dapat nating ipalaganap lalo na sa panahong divisive masyado ang politics natin?

I have reflected that personally, now, I commit to help become part of long process of bridging thses countries divides rather than help widen the gap. This does not mean complacency and indifference, for sure that won’t help too.

Ewan mga Ate at Kuya, nagkakagulo man sa ating bansa, in the end we will find out iisa lang tayo. Di naman naka tatak sa DNA nating mga pinoy na magugulo talaga tayo. Hindi rin yan naka ukit sa ating genome na dapat away na lang tayo ng away. Sa tingin ko, we used to be magnanimous: we were capable of uniting and helping each other in good will for the best of all.

Kaya sa tingin ko, aahon tayo from the mess we situate ourselves now. But its for the long haul. In the meantime, I plan to view the big problem piece by piece. Which I think we all can do, by being the small/little change or help this country can use.

Yes to the debates! Yes to unity amid diversity! (I admit naging preachy ako and also a bit corny, but that’s what I have to say. Sorry to those who might find this post a waste of time.Thanks to those who at least give it a thought. Smile. Indeed there are better things in life.And, by the way, we all deserve not just the better, but the best! Cheers!)

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Ambuot Saimo

June 29th, 2006 at 10:28 pm

Wow… wow… wow… JoseLu all over!!! But it’s okay… a healthy sign of democracy.

JoseLu,
I told you!!! and this is just a warm-up so to speak. Comes July you really really need an “assistant” from Malakanyanayan aside from gwaping.
But one thing I admire you is your resolute conviction to defend a “friend” up to the end no matter what. That’s Pinoy! Want to know one thing I hate you most? “Hindi ka magising dahil gising na gising ka!” Haay… aywan saiyo. (ambot sa imo in Yaraw )

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Palaweno

June 30th, 2006 at 5:44 am

If a leader loses her conscience she must step dowm. A leader must be honest and humane, as these will be her guidelines in her decision making. If she is already corrupted and have compromised her call of duty in exchange for comfort, because she has joined the majority corrupt bandwagon, then she has already lost the people’s confidence. It has been proven that a good leader who is patriotic and not self-serving, can turn a country around no matter how miserable their situation used to be. Countries like Vietman, China, Singapore, they have strict but dedicated and patriotic leaders whose vision is to make their country better, a respected world player. But we have to be wise in choosing our new leader. Not a photocopy of the old one. We should also change our Justice Secretary (Gonzales) who is so bias to GMA, maybe then justice will finally be served. Our situation now is even worse than the martial law days. People can see if the leader is sincere and they will follow her/his good example but, if she is corrupt, then we have to stand up and be counted because, it is us who will reap the bad consequences. If you have that I-dont-care attitude, you should not be a President because, a President must care. That’s why I dont agree with Charter change because, a leader left too long in power can become abusive.

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gwaping

June 30th, 2006 at 7:32 am

:) this is for mindanaw, ’tis all we need today!

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indio_lawless

June 30th, 2006 at 8:37 am

Hi gwaping :

If your best argument boarders on an argumentum ad hominem…

then I rest my case.

It’s quite unfortunate, really, that you seem to treat this blog like a tag wrestling match , with your another tag team member at may pa warm-up, warm-up ka pang nalalaman hehehehe

And on the last note, I hope you will find time to know the diffirence between an OPINION ARTICLE and a NEWS ARTICLE.

Try to make your high school teacher proud naman hehehehe :)

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indio_lawless

June 30th, 2006 at 8:43 am

Hi Joselu :

Are you talking to yourself with such incoherent mumblings ? or what?

If you can’t digest a simple news article for what it is all about, haayyy,

magpasalamat ka’t di kita naging estudyante.

Read and re-read again the news article ( not Magno’s highly opinionated column) that your good friend gwaping glandly offered above.

Ta-tagalogin ko pa ba? go figure. :p

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gwaping

June 30th, 2006 at 1:48 pm

sorry indio, i was an elementary drop-out, really!

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flag-waver

July 1st, 2006 at 7:10 pm

Commissioner Borra will be impeach by the ombudsman, pakulo nga ba ito ng malacañang para ma divert ang attension ng sambayanan? read:

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=43197

Tanong? Can congress handle two impeachment at the same time? answer me please? lawyers……

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gwaping

July 3rd, 2006 at 10:52 am

flag-waver, ’tis the real roadblock to impeachment…

http://opinion.inq7.net/inquireropinion/columns/view_article.php?article_id=7808

siguro naman this will be considered by a lot of anti-Gloria, coming from Fr. Bernas!

To quote a bit…. “When congressmen and congresswomen deliberate on whether to raise the complaint to the Senate, or when the senators deliberate on what verdict to support, the question they answer is not only whether there is evidence to support a “guilty” verdict, but also whether under the circumstances the preferred policy should be to remove the official on trial to allow someone else in. In other words, a verdict of “not guilty” does not necessarily mean “innocent.” It can also mean “guilty,” but keeping the person in is the wiser option now. What is often decisive is the legitimate gut feel or illegitimate interest of individual legislators.”

So, hintay na lang tayo kung makuha nga ang 79 or 78 as they say!

:-)

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freewheel

July 3rd, 2006 at 9:30 pm

flagwaver;

a couple of lawyers are wont to discuss theoretical points, since the answer(s) is part and parcel of the whole strategy lodged against the usurper.

let them grope in the dark, find the answer to the question of their own making. since there is hardly any totally apolitical spirit in this blog, you might be unwittingly allowing them to peek into your notes and let out a clue.

be ready with those flags, and i hope they are NOT colored whites. :>)

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INSIDE PCIJ: Stories behind our stories » GMA’s performance ratings improve - SWS

July 12th, 2006 at 11:47 am

[…] Arroyo’s scores increased even as various sectoral groups were preparing the new impeachment complaint against her at that time. The “citizen-led” impeachment complaint was filed at the House of Representatives on June 26. […]

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July 15th, 2006 at 4:16 pm

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July 17th, 2006 at 7:13 pm

[…] THE battle for hearts and minds continues. As One Voice began placing advertisements on television, supporters of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo today took out their own in at least two leading dailies, making an apparent pitch against the second round of attempts to impeach the president. […]

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