Mike Defensor’s expert

I think today’s event backfired on Mike. Resurrecting the hello garci tape is not to their best interest. Having a tainted witness does not help.

The Tribune’s Herman Tiu Laurel, in his 6 pm radio program, alluded to Tiongco as a double agent for the Administration. He is said to be frequenting Opposition gatherings, posing as one of their allies but is in fact, gathering intelligence for the Administration.

Wilfredo “Boy” Mayor confirmed in tonight’s newscast that it was Jonathan Tiongco who tried to convince him that since the Administration will be coming up this week with its so-called, “evidence” that the “Hello, Garci” tapes are fake, he should already switch sides.

Wilfredo “Boy” Mayor confirmed in tonight’s newscast that it was Jonathan Tiongco who tried to convince him that since the Administration will be coming up this week with its so-called, “evidence” that the “Hello, Garci” tapes are fake, he should already switch sides.

Hmmm… akala ko ba sa FBI galing yung report na “fake” ang Garci Tapes? From Ellen Tordesillas “Operation Balik-Loob” article:

Mayor said he received a text message saying next week that a report from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation will be made public showing that the “Hello Garci” tapes are fake. The message asked, “Ano ang mangyayari sa iyo?” (What will happen to you?)

thanks, mike d. all the while i thought the “hello, garci” tapes are forgotten. now we’re back to where we started…and i’m really glad.

biruin nyo natabunan na ng mga “recanting witnesses” ang “tapes” (which, i believe, was orchestrated by the F-irst G-apang himself while he was here) tapos isa lang pala sa kanila ang bubuhay muli ng kapalpakan ni GMA…hahahaha!

mike should have employed ramon jacinto’s expertise also…at least less tainted…perhaps…

if malacanang sincerely wants to put an end to the issue of authenticity of the hello garci tapes they would seek the expert opinion of scotland yard or the fbi. it has the means to do so. instead it resorts to a tainted witness. kahon!…or laban (whichever generation you’re from).

kaya pala nawala si mike d. may niluluto pala.

johnmarzan said,
August 12, 2005 @ 9:32 pm

Hmmm… akala ko ba sa FBI galing yung report na “fake” ang Garci Tapes? From Ellen Tordesillas “Operation Balik-Loob” article:

Mayor said he received a text message saying next week that a report from the US Federal Bureau of Investigation will be made public showing that the “Hello Garci” tapes are fake. The message asked, “Ano ang mangyayari sa iyo?” (What will happen to you?)

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Suffice it to say, it was all a bluff.

Well, what else can we expect from their barfholes?

Ang sabi nila pag pinabagal mo yung tape hindi daw “yung dagdag, yung dagdag” ang sinasabi kundi “Gal ban-binalbag” daw. I played the portion of the mp3 files on windows media player and slowed it down, there you can in fact hear very cleary Gloria was telling Garci “YUNG DAGDAG, YUNG DAGDAG”.

Palagay ko gusto lang ng administrayon na guluhin ang isipan ng mga tao. Pero tama yung sinasabi nung mga naunang posters na nag boomerang ito sa kanila sapagkat binuhay uli nila yung issue na unti unti nang natatabunan nang iba pang events na pomapabor kay gloria.

Gloria resign! or Be impeached! or be thrown out by People power or by kudeta! whatever comes first….

Wait! Everyone… Can I hear Miriam Defensor-Santiago in defense of nephew Mike “the defender” Defensor? (masyado nang redundant yung defens…teka…) Let hear what she has to say. After lambasting Zuce’s person what does she have in store for this Malacañang operative named Tiongco who, by any measure, is way beyond Zuce’s league, in a negative way. Judging from Tiongco’s cases listed above, this only reflects the kind of company that our leaders keep.

Mike D. spent a whole month in seclusion planning for this major counter-strike which to him would deliver the fatal blow to his critics who got the upper hand when Malacañang disowned Mike D’s resignation challenge to the opposition congressmen. The congressmen earlier this afternoon reiterated their acceptance and even stepped up the ante (Lacson included) if GMA will sign the wager that they already signed themselves. What will Malacañang and Mike D do? Of course Mike will cowardly duck into this shithole he dug for himself and Malacañang (again!) will disown Mike’s initiatives.

What a waste, di ba Mike? Di ka lang nagmukhang tanga yung idinura mo sa hangin bumalik sa mukha mo. ‘Yung $3,500 na binayad mo kay Barry D. kung pinambili mo na lang ng 19,000 tree seedlings at nagtanim tayo nakatulong ka pa sa Pilipinas. Bwa-ha-ha-ha!

Obvious naman talaga na ang tanging pangunahing layunin ng Malacanang ay lituhin lamang ang taong-bayan. Pero salamat na rin kay Mike Defendot kasi binuhay nya ang teleseryeng “Hello Garci”. Ayan galit na naman sa atin ang bansang Japan kasi maapektuhan na naman ang sales ng “Hello Kitty!”

Marsha, ang contrata raw ng teleseryeng “Hello Garci” ay hanggang 2010 kaya wag ka munang umasa na matatapos ito kaagad. Sabi nga, ANG MAASAR AY TALO. Sa tingin ko eh ang gagawin ng Malacanang at mga alipores nito ay asarin na lamang ang oposisyon at ang taong bayan hanggang 2010. Kelangan bago matapos ang termino nila eh makakubra na sa kaban ng bayan. Eh baka nga naman di na sila mabalik sa pwesto at least me kwarta na sila.

Sa tingin ko, si Mike D. ay talagang sanay na yang magsinungaling kasi kahit sa asawa nya eh kaya nyang gawin, sa taong bayan pa kaya? Remember the Padi’s Point incident? Oh baka naman limot nyo na yun? Ang nagagawa talaga ng pera at kapangyarihan sa tao, tsk tsk! Kahit sariling prinsipyo at prinsipyo ay isinusugal.

Di ako naniniwala kay Mike D na sya ang gumastos sa pagpapa-authenticate ng CD. Ano sya hilo at gagastos sya ng ganon samantalang wala namang magagawa sa kanya yun. Kung talagang sya ang nagbayad noon, ABA SOBRANG YAMAN NA NI MIKE DEFENSOR.

Pwede bang ilathala ninyo dito ang Asset ang Liabilities ni Mikey D, isama na rin ang salary and benefits nya para mahusgahan natin kung meron talaga syang kakayahang magbayad $3500 ng ganon-ganon lang.

All this time, GMA or her cohorts have directly acknowledge the person she has talked to despite asking sorry for talking to SOMEBODY. It seems like she talked to a ghost in which instance she should had said HELLO CASPER instead of Hello Garci.

katawa tawa talaga itong si mike defensor nagmumukha ng tanga sa kadedefense kay gloria.. pero salamat na rin sa pagbuhay sa HELLO GARCI issue at eto buhay na buhay na naman kami.manang mana talaga sa loka loka niyang tiyahin na si mirriam, plalagay ko lahi talaga nila may pagka aning. magtanim ka na lang kase ng puno no!!! sinira lang ni mike defensor ang political career nya.

Agn maasar talo: ne slogan of Malacañang.

Belat! ‘Di kami maasar magpakailanman.

When PGMA got Noli as running mate, I knew it. She cannot afford to have anybody around her more “brilliant” than she is. Kailangan siya lang ang matalino. Now, her policy has backfired on her.

The opposition had Zuce who is really fat. Defensor had his fat expert but he was not as large Zuce so I immediately concluded that whatever Defensor’s man had to say didn’t carry as much weight as Zuce.

But these fat witnesses and experts are starting to piss me off and costing me quite a bit of money. A few days ago I had to trade in my 21 inch TV for a 60 inch flat screen just so I could see Zuce and Zamora together. I thought I could get by with a small screen all throughout Gloria’s term.

I watched the SONA on my little TV. It reminded me of two of my favorite movies, Star Wars and Austin Powers. There was Gloria, Minime from Austin Powers flanked by Yoda and Jabba da Hut from Star Wars. Philippine politics is really ugly.

Now Miriam Defensor wants to become Senate President. Remember the old saying, “too many cooks spoil the broth?” Well Miriam is one kook to many as far as I’m concerned.

But going back to Defensor’s experts. They don’t look right. I know one shouldn’t judge based on appearances but then again if something looks like shit one doesn’t have to stick a finger into it and smell it and taste it just to make sure, right? One simply avoids stepping on it, shit or not because it’s one of those things where it is better to err on the side of judging based on appearances.

So did Gloria do something wrong on the Garci tapes, was it her voice and she talking? Well. based on appearances, it is and so she must resign because we don’t want to walk around with shit on our shoes do we?

i loaded up the pcij mp3 too and I came out with a different conclusion from xanana. I slowed it down to 2x (200%) using nero wave editor.
what i heard was this:
“YYUUUUnnngg DdaaggDDaag. YYuunngg DDaaggddaagg.”

Wala akong narining na Bbiinnaallbbagg.
No sign of what Mike defensor was saying at all. I also looked for the alleged anomalies with the buzzing sounds and the spikes. Mike is just full of CCCrrraaappp.

Jonathan Tiongco reminds me of Sandra Cam, the opposition’s witness. She also has a list of criminal cases against her yet some people actually believe her. I’m also wondering why Ping Lacson, the most aggressive oppositionist, seems to have a lot of followers despite his shady and dubious past. Why does it take us so long for us to resolve issues on the elections which happened two years ago? Why are Filipinos so obsessed with listening to griping politicians and not to ideas on improving their lives?

Mike, tama na. Masyado ka nang pasaway. The more you say, the more you are revealing how much you are looking down on the intelligence of the Filipinos. I don’t want to think that you are a trying hard, stupid liar. I would want to believe that you are where you are because you have something between your ears (not inside them). Please, give us a reason to admire you and not say P-W-E!

don2x of Pinoyexchange sure does sound a lot like Jonathan Tiangco… Read don2x’s posts below, then Tiangco’s statement during Mike Defensor’s Presscon and tell me what you think.

From the LAFI thread “Mainstream Media STILL won’t play Gloriagate tapes”

Post 1:

what was the result of lacson authentication of the recordings? even the FBI signal analysis branch has admitted that it is difficult to detect some alterations when a recording is digitized into a computer system, physically or electronically edited. to authenticate, the original recording and the equipment/ components used to produce the recording must be provided. no wonder wycoco tried to cover the existence of gsm scanner during the hearings.

Post 2:

someone can digitally edit/ cut n paste voiceprints of gma and garci then re-record it to an analog tape recorder. it is very difficult to detect alteration on the re-recorded tape. it is like a xerox copy of an altered document. difficult to detect the alteration in the original. it would be credible if originality and content can be authenticated with forensic audio analysis. however the equipment/ components used in the recording must be present.

Post 3:

media and the opposition know that the cd/tape cannot be authenticated unless the one who made the original recording comes forward with all the gadgets used during the recording. best they could do is get expert’s opinion which is not conclusive.

Post 4:

if they are not authenticated by credible forensic audio experts, then it is just like a xerox copy which is not conclusive. to authenticate, the equipment and components used in the recording must be present. i just assumed the recordings were just been given expert’s opinion. perhaps they should release the audio analysis report.

And finally here’s Mike defensor’s expert, Jonathan Tiangco, during the press conference:

Take the report prepared by his “expert,” Jonathan Tiongco. It sounds impressive enough with spectrographs and what not. But what does it say in the concluding paragraph, “Expert opinion/recommendation”?

“The recording are undeniably products of a series of wiretapped materials from most probably a landline or combination of landline and cellular. The authenticity of the alleged “Wiretapped Tapes” as material evidence may only be determined when; (1) the original tapes are examined; (2) matched to the recorder used; (3) the owner or operator of the tape recorder identified and (4) his/her “capacity to wiretap” verified. After submission of the alleged original tapes by Atty. Allan Paguia. which already contained labels indicating the time, date and other content details, it is therefore concluded that the tapes submitted, having been the product of review and overdubbed for labeling, are not the original first generation copies, if indeed there is any (underscoring in the original).”

Paguia has already told the House inquiry that his tape was a compilation of selected conversations from a much longer tape. What was the point of Defensor’s “expert” belaboring what is already on record?

What is more intriguing is that reference to the conditions (numbered 1 to 4) that must be fulfilled for the tapes to be considered material evidence.

SI GARCI NASAAN KA NA … MAAWA KA NAMAN SA MGA TAONG NA AAPI NINYO.

Ang hirap sa sitwasyon na ito ay puro technology ang basehan ng usapan. Malinaw ang ipinaliwanag sa isang article ni Prof. Randy David na dahil lenggwahe ito, napakadaling malaman kung ano at genuine ba ang usapan because of the nuances. Ang kausapin ninyo ay mga sociolinguistics, malaki ang maitutulong nila.

soledad t. tubay said,
August 13, 2005 @ 3:04 pm

…Ang kausapin ninyo ay mga sociolinguistics, malaki ang maitutulong nila.

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Ang problema kasi sa mga yan, walang katapusan ang kasinungalingan nila maging ang usapin ay technical o hindi.

Malay mo, sabihin pa nilang may kinonsultang sociolinguist ang oposisyon upang ipalabas na mas kapani-paniwala ang dinoktor na usapan.

Salamat Mike….nandito na naman kami!!!

Sabagay di naman talagang lumisan…nanahimik lang at nagmasid…..di kami bibitaw…!!!

Talagang makakakapal…..di man lang pinanindigan ng balahibo……
ang lakas ng loob hamunin ang “katotohanan”……
Medyo hinay-hinay…malapit na kayo…..subukan niyong “ibasura” ang impeachment complaint……makikita niyo meron talagang “mababasura”…
Hindi nawalan ng “gana” ang mga tao….”miron” lang muna…nagpapahinga….sabagay tag-ulan….
Siguro panay ang dasal niyo na huwag ng umaraw…..
Kami panay ang dasal naming “huwag ng sikatan ng araw……”

Matinding “kakapalan” ang subukan ang pasensiya ng mamamayan…..
Ngunit mas matindi, ang itulad kami ni Mike sa “kababawan” ng kaniyang pag-iisip…..

Ulit…..Maraming Salamat, Mike…..(bagay talaga kayo ng kapalayaw mo)

To Vinia Datingguinoo. Thanks for the info

[…] Since there is reason to believe that all the versions that have come out have the three-hour recordings as source, I asked how come the findings of Jonathan Tiongco, Defensor’s so-called expert, say otherwise. Could it be that the track he asked to be analyzed had been tampered with? […]

Regarding Jim Sarthou, the caucasian-looking “audio expert” in Mike D’s presscon, this guy is very much Pinoy. I remember him during my teenage days as a member of an indie band named Aunt Irma I still remember the song “When I’m feeling lonely” aired exclusively by Ramon Jacinto’s defunct AM radio station DZRJ. (RJ! Yung X-tapes! Baka…)

I guess he became an “audio expert” by hanging around recording studios and by tinkering with RJ’s radio/studio equipment in Sta. Mesa when his group disbanded. I didn’t know you can get an engineering degree that way. But if he is really an engineer, then sorry Jim.

Ditto for Tiongco, with his vague credentials and shadowy past (and present?), he “earned” his engineering degree by being a DJ.

I myself was once a rock band member like Sarthou, and I also tinkered with a lot of audio equipment in the then famous Cinema Audio and Magnatech Omni of old. We were also one of the pioneers of the Mobile Disco and spun thousands of discs (like Tiongco did) for about 10 years. But I can never claim to be a sound engineer or sound expert. But…

Remember the “spikes” that Tiongco stressed was conveniently located in between Garci and GMA’s voices which he explains were there because the person who spliced the tape made a delayed overlap. Based on experience, this can easily be recreated at home with just the basic equipment.

Play the “Hello Garci Tape – GMA and Garci part, and use a microphone to record the output from your speakers into a computer or tape recorder.

At the instant where Garci stops and just before GMA begins to speak, switch on a fluorescent lamp, and Presto! A spike has been created. The spike was induced by common mode/harmonic noise due to the electrical spark between the switch contact points just before full connection (Have you ever notice the switch sparking when you turn on the lights?}.

That noise is carried by the power cables all troughout your house and into your recorder and the player. This won’t work however, if you use a PC with grounded plugs (3-prong). In some instances, the switching may even produce a background hum in your recording (Remember the hum Tiongco’s presentation?).

Kung akala ni Tiongco na iisipin nating di natin siya paghihinalaang na-TAMPER niya yung tape dahil mahirap gawin, nagkakamali siya!

you should listen to the garbled part before the “yung dagdag”.
if you use defensor’s style of reducing the speed of playback. you
will hear pgma’s line na translated as ‘garbled’ by pcij:

it starts with a call from pgma where from the tone of her voice
she is kind of worried that the opposition is trying to get namfrel
copies of the municipal COCs

GARCI: ay ok naman ang namfrel sa atin, they are sympathetic to us
GMA: OO OO PERO HUWAG NIYO SIYANG IMENTION NA NAMFREL DOESNT TALLY
GARCI: oho
GMA: pero yun nga yung dagdag yung dagdag

she is worried baka kasi makita ng opposition na hindi nagtatally yung
mga namfrel copies with the other COMELEC copies
sa nakikita ko, hindi lang padding ng votes ang pinaguusapan dito
GMA knows about the hocus-pocus performed sa dagdagbawas
and she has to make sure na makakalusot yon

Sa report ni Ms Yvone dito

http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=137
http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=140

nag tutugma yung sinasabi ni gma sa report ni Ms. Yvonne na hindi
nag ta-tally na namfrel : http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=137

“A copy of the COC that Namfrel obtained of the voting in Poona Bayabao
(it gets the fourth copy) shows President Arroyo and Legarda leading
their opponents 4,700 to zero. But the ERs that the poll monitor was
furnished (Namfrel gets the sixth copy) reveal a big discrepancy: Neither
Poe nor De Castro obtained zero votes. In two tables prepared later by
the Namfrel chapter summarizing the ERs in 13 precincts in Poona Bayabao,
Poe got 767 and Arroyo 964, while Legarda obtained 1,252 and De Castro, 350.”

pcij people,

now that the tro’s expired (coool ha ha), plus the events that have happened since then (like garcillano back, for instance), what next for this thread?

congratulations on the SC decision, by the way.

tongue in, anew,

saw your explanation on how to create a large spike in the waveform of a sound recording. exactly right… my colleagues and i had been discussing that during that time. as a matter of fact, that’s part of the way morse code and radio evolved in the old old old days, using sparks caused by on/off switches. as to splices, if you gang an oscilloscope and a spectrum analyzer to take apart a waveform, if there’s a splice, you’ll see it, a split that doesn’t belong there, and it doesn’t look like a spike at all, no sir. to put it simply, a spike is just one very sharp continuous upward then downward curve, while in a splice you don’t see continuity (the splices can be seen where the waveforms are disjointed). lest anyone tell us that you can’t isolate single-line curves (sine waves and such) from a waveform as complex as voice recording, our answer is “go to school, study fourier transforms, study oscilloscopes, study spectrum analyzers, ace each class, then tell us after if you still can’t — we’d be happy to show you how it’s done.”

we concluded that tiongco isn’t really a sound engineer… else, he’d have known this from wireless and acoustics subjects ECEs have in their curricula.

though it may be convincing to the average reasonable person that a computer screen capture of a waveform shows splicing (not to us engineers, obviously), why not have it authenticated by real experts using real equipment? assuming, naturally, that these people are credible and impartial.

[…] The Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism had reposted “Mike Defensor’s expert” after a temporary restraining order issued by a Quezon City Court against the PCIJ blog expired. […]

MAS MATATAKOT KAYO NGAYON KAPAG ANG PUMALIT SA CHIEF JUSTICE AY SIRAUL GONGONGZALES AT SI MIRIAM DEFECTOR. PATAY NA ANG BATAS NATIN AT LALONG MAWAWALA NA ANG HUSTIYA NG MGA MAHIHIRAP.

koj, meron pa raw chance. pag pinaulit ni glue-ria ang nominasyon. kakatakot may MAD SC justices.

[…] READERS who expressed interest in getting a copy of the temporary restraining order (TRO) imposed by Quezon City Regional Trial Court Judge Ralph Lee on the PCIJ blog post "Mike Defensor’s expert" about Jonathan Tiongco can now download the three-page pdf file here. […]

PLEASE GET CONGRESSMAN JOSE MARIE GONZALES AND ENOUGH
OF THIS GUY SARTHOU… HE APPEARS TO BE A CHEAP LIAR!
AND EDITOR OF CHAVIT’S X-TAPES!!!

Eto si Jim Sarthou nakita ko sa ANC noon. Ang sabi niya: “I WAS JUTS RECENTLY CONTRACTED. I heard it, I heard it… All this versions are the same. The voice before that one… its spliced.” He also said: “I’m worried because there are annotations… then its not the original tape.”

When he was interviewed with Mike Defensor the next day, ang sabi niya “di niya raw alam na Presscon?”

E diba ang sabi niya “i was just recently contracted?” Ok na sana. Pero during the same ANC interview, sinabi niya rin na: “THIS IS A USELESS EXCERSIZE. ALL THIS VERSIONS ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL VERSIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE ANNOTATIONS.”

Now he says: THE TAPES ARE AUTHENTIC? With people like this guy SARTHOU, the battle for hearts and minds will lose. Since he was contracted, the assumption now is, he was re-contracted to turn around. Another blogger also revealed he used to work for RJ. This guy is surely a witness for sale.

THE BEST OPTION IS A PERSON WITH UNTARNISHED CREDIBILITY.
I’m talking about former Congressman Jose Marie Gonzales, becaue
he’s too rich, he owns his Studio and he’s not gonna annalyze the tapes for money.

I hope this time, Ex-Congressman Jose Marie Gonzales can be called
to prove that Garci and PGMA the Beach are congenital liars!!!

Chow

Jest,

Whatever… let’s get someone else then. Im only worried that if the CCTA keeps on presenting people like Sarthou whose inconsistent, or someone who does it because he’s been contracted several times over, PGMA and GARCI would end up winning the technical aspect of the scandal. If admin people play Sarthou’s videos when he testifies… that would be very devastating for the CCTA.

Maybe we could get other low profile veteran sound engineers. Or a panel of (5) or so to be more efficicent. Having the recordings authenticated abroad by engineers who cant speak our language would also be inaccurate. So the best option is to go local.

Chow

mike defensor’s expert is at it again…

“Tiongco files inciting to sedition raps vs PCIJ”
http://news.inq7.net/breaking/index.php?index=1&story_id=58931

“AUDIO expert Jonathan Tiongco has filed 35 counts of inciting to sedition against the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism for posting the ‘Hello Garci’ wiretapped conversation on its website.”

“The 11-page complaint filed before the Department of Justice said that PCIJ executive director Sheila Coronel and the PCIJ’s board of directors were indirectly calling the public to go against the government.”

“”Due to such circulation of wiretapped audio recordings and transcripts, which suggested that the President cheated the elections, several sectors of Philippine society, here and abroad, were incited and induced to either call for the President’s ouster or resignation,” Tiongco said.”

[…] LATE this afternoon, three members of the Central Police District, accompanied by sound engineer Jonathan Tiongco, asked a Quezon City judge to issue a warrant that will allow the police to search the office of the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism, apparently in connection with a charge of inciting to sedition. […]

[…] Then Environment secretary and now Presidential Chief of staff Mike Defensor presented Tiongco before the media on August 12, 2005, at the height of the “Hello, Garci” controversy. Tiongco during the press conference said that the alleged wiretapped conversations between the president and former elections commissioner Virgilio Garcillano have been tampered with. […]

[…] His claim to fame? Read this from Inside PCIJ. […]