Criminal complaint vs. Aquino, Aragoncillo

A better title would be:
“Filipino spies arrested by FBI for stealing classified documents about the Philippines gathered by American spies. Philippine gov’t volunteers to help prosecute the Filipinos involved.”

“Ninoy is a Patriot and is one with the Filipino people in seeking the Truth”

I certainly agree. The americans have been spying the Philippines and when they are caught spying the Philippines, they cry foul. whatda???

classified information about the Philippines? about the Philippines!

Clearly, US is spying on us. The FBI spies should be charged of espionage for spying on the Philippines.

as DParedes said:

“Perhaps, the fist question that ought to be asked of the FBI and the American government is what those copied, secret documents were. We are told that the documents are on the Philippines and some of our higher officials. So, does that mean that the United States has been spying on us and that the documents referred to are the fruit of American espionage on the Philippines?

If this is the case, the more we ought to protect those that the US wants extradited. These officials may have done the Philippines a great favor by stealing documents about the Philippines that were in the secret files of the FBI. Why should we so readily turn them over to the Americans who committed espionage on us and our leaders?

Besides, if they can do espionage on us, why can’t we also allow ourselves a little friendly espionage on our brother Americans?”

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YES. This american spies are being used by GMA again to discredit the people who are not afraid to tell the truth of her evil fake government.

Back off GMA!

Filipinos Charged with Spying

Two Filipinos, Leandro Aragoncillo and Michael Ray Aquino, were charged with espionage today, for having shared secret US Government information on the Philippines. Aragoncillo, an…

well said dakdakero.

One might wonder why the US custom seizure of $100,000 under the posession of Gen. Garcia’s Son did not leak to the media with equal flare. The ensuing inquiry by the US Bureau of Customs of Gen. Garcia’s wealth in the USA only reached the media months after the actual event happens. Why? Also, why there is no FEDERAL prosecution made to salting all those dollars back in USA. No investigation by the Bureau of Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service. I wonder why? Did Gen. Garcia sufficiently provided an evidence to the US authority that he earned those money. Did the Philippine Government intervened on his behalf?

Did Wycoco, BIR or DOJ et al, used their authority with equal Gungho to at least reclaim all the money and properties claimed to be misapproriated by Gen. Garcia to be returned to the Philippine coffer?

With equal wonder – why did USA allow the prosecution of Marcos in the US court when in fact it was the US government through US aircraft that brought him in the US without the consent of the MArcos family themselves?

Dahil sa balitang ito lalo tuloy akong humahanga sa ability ni Lacson. Instead of ganging on his group we should commend them for exposing the spying of the US on us.

Let us not be distracted by this… HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI!

We should focus on the real issue… HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI! HELLO GARCI!

OUST GLORIA NOW!!!

MABUTI NA IYUN NA TAYO ANG MAG ESPIYA SA US KESA SILA (US) ANG MAY ESPIYA SA ATIN. MORE POWER TO LACSON. ANG GALONG MO DRE’. SI MAGNANAKAW AY NAG YAYABANG SA NEW YORK NGAYON AT SANA SA PAG UWI NIYA AY SA KULUNGAN ANG DIRETSO NIYA. ISAMA NA NINYO ANG MGA BUWANG NA HENERAL. KAILAN KAYA MA AALIS ANG SAKIT SA ULO NG BAYAN. MAGNANAKAW GARAPAL ARROYO.

PCIJ, what are these classified informations??? if these informations are about Philippine politics, why are these information in the possession of the US government? A clear case of INTERNATIONAL INTERFERENCE to advance American interest. Aquino has been in the United States for the longest time and given the intelligence capacity of the FBI, the timing of arrest is very questionable.

Now the public knows that this government has long been in cahoots with the Bush government only for political survival. Why can’t we learn from our mistakes, the Americans has never done anything good for us without advancng thier various interest. GMA, TUTA NG MGA KANO! OUST GMA NOW!

Good take, Zorros,
Why is GMA still in power? because Uncle Sham and his agents are over the archipelago, embedded in our institutions. Even a retired Gen had said ,matter of factly, that his friend xgen xcos xprex is a CIA agent and if you really know how to mole around, u will not be surprised why this ubiquitous ominous u.s. programmed android says that for him to be a president or pm is a demotion. No wonder – our gov is hi-jacked and 80M Filipinos are held hostage by the Enemies within.

pol.sjs said,
September 16, 2005 @ 10:35 am
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No wonder – our gov is hi-jacked and 80M Filipinos are held hostage by the Enemies within.
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Amen to that. Our enemies are within — not foreign spies, but our own character as a people.

Now we realise that the real issue is not who is pro or against the President. The issue is why we are dancing to the tune of both parties.

And my take on this issue? Simple. Pinoys lack substance — in THOUGHT and in ACTION.

Reminds me of how we handled the Iraq troop pullout back in 2004. Different issue, same hollow-headed thought processes. Here is my take on that:
http://www.geocities.com/benign0/agr-disagr/16-5-substance.html

Excerpt:
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This lack of a clear collective direction and conviction in the Filipino people is but a symptom of our collective lack of substance — unlike the solid spheres that more robust societies are represented by, ours can be more likened to a thin-skinned bubble with nothing but air at its core flying off to wherever the wind takes it.
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ha ha! 😀

hey HOMER B. why dont you reveal yourself and tell this people who you really are ? Try to be transparent ika nga.

homer… di ka naman anak ni teddy man diba?

homer benigno? nosi bayasi?

ANAK_NG_JUETENG said,
September 16, 2005 @ 11:08 am
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hey HOMER B. why dont you reveal yourself and tell this people who you really are ? Try to be transparent ika nga.
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Tell me first: Will who or what I am change how TRUE or FALSE you (or anyone for that matter) think my assertions are? 😉

o ayan may permission na. reveal na…..

ESPIONAGE OR CHITCHAT – WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE?

On behalf of Michael Ray Aquino’s family and relatives here in New York/New Jersey area, we wish to clarify media reports surrounding his arrest:

1. Michael was arrested by FBI agents last September 10, 2005, Saturday morning, in front of his Queens (New York) residence. He later found out that the principal defendant, Leandro Aragoncillo, was also arrested earlier in the day at the latter’s New Jersey residence.

2. On September 12, 2005, Michael and Mr. Aragoncillo were brought before Judge Patty Shwartz of the U.S. District Court in Newark, New Jersey, for their initial hearing. The Court asked them if they understood the charges filed against them. Mr. Aragoncillo’s public defender argued for his release pending trial, but the Judge denied his request. Michael’s detention hearing was scheduled for September 21, 2005, as the prosecution had ten days under the law to detain him, as he was neither a US citizen nor a permanent resident. Michael’s wife and close relatives attended the initial hearing.

3. There were two charges filed against Michael: (a) conspiracy to defraud the United States by impeding, impairing, obstructing, and defeating the government’s lawful function in protecting classified information against unauthorized disclosure, and; (b) acting in the United States as an agent of a foreign government or foreign official without prior notification to the Attorney General.

4. Michael vehemently denies having acted as an agent of a foreign government or foreign official during his stay in the United States. He was never employed by any Philippine official, past or present, to gather classified information in the United States. He takes exception to the insinuation that he received money for the communications he was sending to friends, associates, and relatives back in the Philippines that concern the Philippines. He denies his interrogators’ claim that he recruited Mr. Aragoncillo to gather classified information for the Philippine government or any of its officials. In fact, the criminal complaint supports the reverse, that it was actually Mr. Aragoncillo who requested Michael to introduce the former to a Philippine public official. Michael states that there was nothing wrong in his introducing Mr. Aragoncillo to the Philippine public official, as he has often been requested to do so by people from all walks of life.

5. Being unemployed, Michael had lots of time to spare, and most of those times were spent in front of the computer. He exchanged e-mails to lots of people, including people in the Philippine government, his mistahs from the academy, and even classmates from his elementary and high school days. Among the e-mails he received were documents from Mr. Aragoncillo which the prosecution is now characterizing as classified information. Michael wants to point out that, contrary to newspaper reports, he did not transmit any document which the prosecution alleges to be classified, to any Philippine official, past or present. The criminal complaint alleges that all the transmissions of the questioned documents came from Mr. Aragoncillo. The documents Michael received from Mr. Aragoncillo were sent directly to some Philippine officials, and he was just copy-furnished the same. For Michael, the contents were not secret or confidential information as he had previously read all of those reports in Philippine-based media. In fact, he had to annotate or make comments on some of the documents he received, as those were not factually correct. Furthermore, Michael claims that he had no way of knowing that the documents being e-mailed to him by Mr. Aragoncillo were classified, as there was no indication at all in the contents of the documents, nor in the title of the e-mail messages that the attached documents he was receiving were classified.

6. Michael did not download any document from any FBI computer. Philippine-based media incorrectly report that he downloaded the alleged classified documents from the FBI and he directly transmitted those to the three unnamed Philippine officials. The criminal complaint alleges that it was Mr. Aragoncillo who allegedly transmitted the alleged classified information to Philippine officials. Not Michael.

7. Michael wants to emphasize that while the criminal complaint alleges that Mr. Aragoncillo continued to transmit allegedly classified information to Philippine officials up to August 26, 2005, he was never a recipient of any of those allegedly classified information after April 06, 2005. The documents he received until April 06, 2005 were not news to him, as those were stale reports and opinions about the Philippines and some of its leaders, which most Filipinos have heard or read anyway in the Philippine media.

8. Some Philippine newspapers continue to propagate the lie that Michael is a wanted person in the Philippines. Michael’s family wishes to correct that report. There is no pending criminal case filed against Michael before any Philippine court as far as the family knows. This is why talks about Michael being extradited to the Philippines are but that – empty talk- as he cannot be extradited because there are no pending warrants of arrest issued against him by any Philippine court.

9. Michael’s family respectfully requests everybody not to prejudge the situation. Catch words have been used – that Michael had spied on the US, and that there was conspiracy to spy. But Michael did not have access to US records, except those copy-furnished him. The information was not about the US, but instead, about reports by the US concerning some Filipino politicians and the Philippine political situation. So, who is spying on whom?

FELIX Q. VINLUAN, Esq.
Aquino family’s immigration counsel and spokesman
224 West 35th Street, Suite 603, New York, New York 10001
212-594-8292, 212-594-8296

illegal na nga sa tate gumawa pa ng katangahan!

ang tanong koj, what where they spying about? if it’s information about the philippines that the fbi gathered through spying themselves, then it’s germane to find out their “listening” capabilities. if they can get through electronic communication and with echelon, wouldnt they have been capable of tapping into phone conversations, too? they can probably verify the garci tapes.

may kaso ba si aquino dito? is he a fugitive from justice? if he’s not, kahit na implicated siya, you cant use govt machinery to reel him back in. people could have pointed to aquino if he were really wanted or if there were an arrest warrant. he was taking nursing in ny. ang kaibahan kay garci, mukhang naglahong parang bula ang damuho.

Para yatang hindi lang si Michael Ray Aquino ang nasa “hot waters”. His close friend Panfilo Lacson might also possibly be arrested. If my hunch is right, Lacson was up to something illegal in his quest for the highest seat of power. Pathetic guy, he appears to be really that desperate.

THE GOVERNMENT MUST DISCLOSE THESE CLASSIFIED INFORMATIONS TO THE PUBLIC. IT MUST DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FROM THE US GOVERNMENT ON WHY WE, AN ALLY OF WAR AGAINST TERROR IS BEING SPIED.

primo,

As I said we have a case of international interference here. If we, as a member of the United Nations still believes in the principles of international relations such as the independence of each nation, we have to demand an explanation from the US government on why are they spying on us. The FBI/CIA espionage activities in the Philippines and other countries, though it has been known as a fact since time immemorial must be diplomatically protested.

If these “classified” informations are completely about Philippine politics, i don’t think there is espionage here. Based on my personal knowledge, espionage is a crime against the security of a state or country. If such information has nothing to do with the United States’ security- then there is no espionage. AQUINO must be deported to answer for the crimes he committed here and ARAGONCILLO must be exonerated.

concerned cit,

tama ka per inquirer issue today kaya lang illegal alien pa rin sha.

it’s unfortunate that our “kababayans” got mixed up with espionage. i’m sure the administration will play up this breakthrough considering there are undisclosed oppositionists involved.

though it appears that evidences point to their guilt, “big brother” u.s. of a will give them justice and fair play. there’s just this sinister feeling in me that all along “big brother” u.s. of a is spying on us? considering that the present dispensation at malacañang is head-over-heels in trying to impress “kuya” for more doleouts?

i believe most of the bloggers here are not for or with the opposition. this news is not a setback on our part for we’re still going to find out the truth in mrs. arroyo’s shady past, which ever we may choose on how to seek for it.

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sorry koj, i think you also tried to connect the dots in your post…

agree baycas, this case has nothing to do with our search for truth & justice. happy lang ang mga tuta ni gloria feeling nila naka discredit na naman sila ng mga taga opposition. the truth is, hindi naman mabubura nito ang mga atraso ng idol nila sa mga pilipino.

pag pinauwi si aquino dito anong kakaso sa kanya? “espionage”? sus wala ng giyera dito sa atin panahon pa ni mahoma yang spying law natin.. ang dapat gawin ay iparamdam sa mga fbi agents na yan na nag “spy” dito sa atin na they too are being “monitored” by our government (pero gagawin ba yon ng present administration?) kaya guys kung meron dyan aali aligid na kahina hinala eh malamang fbi agents yan or asset nila yan.. maaring nag “profile” sila ng isang subject… for example ng isa “king maker” or who’s who in politics.. yun lang yun..

Whew! So many influx of informations! So many skepticisms and theories! Got a lot of questions here about Michael Rey Aquino’s Stay in the U.S. These are the following to, wit;

1. How did Aquino live in an exorbitant standard of living in the U.S, wherein he doesn’t have a known considerable employment except e-mailing and doing other pc related activities?

2. He must have been well supported financially by these three Philippine officials to do the espionage? While he enjoy evasion from criminal prosecution for Cervantes murder.

3. How come when he was wanted in the Phillipines for Cervantes murder, no one knows his exact whereabouts? It is only now that his being criminally charged in the U.S. that his whereabouts was known.

Some bloggers here are really distorted! A suspected Cervantes murderer and a spy – a hero? Sinong pinagloloko nyo!

My take about this administration with regards to the spy issue, they will never stop fueling it, because;

1. These is a good opportunity for them to make the opposition very defensive now.
2. Not pursuing the spionage case is detrimental to U.S.-Philippine bilateral relations.
3. The Philippines begging for economic aid package would be jeopardized if not to heed FBI’s call.

My take about the US spionage insinuations has something to do with our $69.9 billion debts. U.S., for all we know is an IMF Capitalist. Their support to this administration is imminent for the following reasons, to wit;

1. That with GMA’s administration they are assured of a billion dollar debt servicing is being addressed with consistency.

2. That a GMA substitute would mean a detrimental factor to their interest as far as paying our debt is concerned, bearing in mind the alternative candidates do not have the proper bearing on fiscal reforms.

However these works both ways. GMA’s Philippine troops pull-out in Iraq in support for our hostage OCW shamed the U.S. to the world. With this, they (U.S.) could not take a supposed ally Philippines in the war in Iraq defying their
interests. Thus, we could not discount they have a hand with GMA’s wiretapping machinations. Lately, GMA’s being turned down securing an appointmentwith President Bush might also mean he have a sour relationship with her.

I don’t know what to think anymore, but to be paranoid about everything that is happening in our country. I don’t know Who to believe anymore. External and Internal forces working at bay. I think at the end of the tunnel there is no more light anymore for the Philippines.

Ok, correction noted.

ANAK_NG_JUETENG said,
September 16, 2005 @ 5:05 pm
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so Homer B. , paki reveal na sa kanila kung sino ka. This will also prove how true are you with your beliefs.
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Why should I? It seems you’ve already decided who I am. So what difference would it make to you who I claim I am?

But let me ask you this: How exactly will revealing my identity prove how “true” I am to my “beliefs”? 😉

Homer Ba……im giving you the chance to do it yourself because if i will be the
one to do it mapapahiya ka lang because to tell you the truth, knowing
your true identity, considering your current stature in your true identy
as a supporter of the filipino culture in your community and
your alter ego as benign0 who continuously lambast the filipino really
stinks. So ano ka ba talaga ? If you are true to your ‘principles’, hiding
your face behind a bogus name is not an option dahil for me ‘kaduwagan’
ang tawag doon.

Nakakatuwa kayong dalawa ( Anak_ng_jueteng at Benigno )! Tama ka Benigno, it doesn’t make a difference revealing ourselves to a public oriented blog like this. Kung KADUWAGAN ang paggamit ng pseudonames dito sa blog , then lahat pala tayo duwag. We all use bogus names here.

Sorry, kung nag-comment ako sa away nyong dalawa. Can we just go back to the issue in the POST? Ang issue ay Micheal Ray Aquino and Aragoncillo’s Criminal complaint.

if aquino ang argoncillo really did violated the law, the so be it, let them be punished for that, but we must not be selective in implementation and interpretation of the law, as sen lim said, the law applies to all or none at all

dakdakero, i may have to agree with you that is if our opinion
is not to put the entire filipino people down the drain as what our friend
Homer B, Nign-0 has been doing since. Such a strong accusation
behind a bogus name is quite disturbing given the fact his principles
in his true identity tell otherwise.

my apologies to all Including to my dear friend Homer Ba……..

so sino si Homer Ba….? Ibang usapan ang schizo sa kaduwagan.

I think it is a fact of international politics that governments spy on each other.

What can we do to punish the US for spying on us? And what can they do to us if we spy on them?

This is politics. Its about what you can do effectively.

I think we are spying on them too.

Do you have the same attitude as the Americans before world war 2? Gentlemen dont read each others mail? Thats why McArthur was partying at Manila Hotel when the Japanese attacked.

And if our sovereignty is compromised its because we have not done enough spying on them.

Im not offended by this at all. I Dont like Aquino and Lacson at all thats why im happy about it.

mariatoo if i am right to presume that you hate americans and what americans stand for you would be happy if some wacko blew up Bush.

Well if the Americns helped Lacson become President i would be anti-american to the bone right now.

gangster roger, i may not like bush but the americans i know, my classmates and my friends, i like. there’s a difference between american policy/leadership and the ordinary kano.

agreed, spying is all over the place. pero naman to implicitly admit spying on us and then asking us to help them get to those who spied on them to get the info from spying on us is like being raped and asking them what position they would like to accomplish the deed. also since spying is all over the place, why make a big deal out of the two. poder lang ang pinagkaiba.

Vested interest, I say. Every country in the world probably are being spied by the U.S. Their quest for worldwide supremacy and business interests necessitates such acts. Kaya wag na kayong magtaka.

On the other hand, we are still the most favorite U.S. pick foriegn workers than any other OFW exporter countries, as far as nursing their people is concerned. The dollars our OFWs earned saved us from the 1997 Asian Financial Crises. We are the only Asian country least affected by it. Thanks to their dollars.

On Xananas response:

1. Whats the take why the government was not pursuing the case then? For all we know he could be the key ( a witness or a suspect) to Cervantes murder.”

“Because the government has no case.”

Response:

There was a case. Only the government probably gave him a breather to silence him of the electoral protest. Now, that the tide has turned against pandakekok kaya sya nakisabay sa ingay. Alam nyang makinabang rin sya pagnatanggal si Labandera.

2. Whats Aquino’s hurry to exit the country during the hight of the
murder investigation?

“Because he avoided being persecuted by the government since he is known close to Lacson. Remember what they did to Senator Lacson? They fabricated evidenced, they hired fake (like gloria) witnesses to demolish his person. Because they know that he would kick gloria’s ass in the last presidential election.”

Response:

There was no fabrication. The evidence were clear. PCIJ was having a grip over PACCs ( Which Lacson Handles that time) human rights abuses and machinations before. Now, judging by his past and affiliations, he could be worst than Gloria if given a chance to become president.

mariatoo thats where we differ.

they were caugth. fbi dont have a choice. fbi dont have sensitivites. somebody stole the goods and sent it somewhere. where it went they follow.

i think the politicians implicated in the case besides lacson is very scared. lacson knows something…

i dont feel something was stolen from us in the first place. i dont have a moralistic view on ownership of knowledge specially those gathered by sneaky means. finders keepers. we cant make them forget it can we?

maybe thats the core of our disagreement? eavesdropping for you is wrong but for me its not.

its a game. they have evidence we oblige. we have evidence they oblige. if bush opponents stole info about our assessment of assessment of dan quails iq, we would also ask them for help on catching the perpatrators right? besides the philippine government did not ask aquino to do that in the first place. certainly we did not ask them to do that.

Anyway Lacson can blackmail somebody and the case will go away.
then aquino comes home the underdog the hero. i guess thats something you can celebrate about.

would you believe that eavesdropping is lacson’s bread and butter? maybe not. or maybe you would rather have a filipino spying on you.

aragoncillo is an american. His blood lines dont matter to me at all because americanism dont follow blood lines. for the fbi he just one cowardly traitor who betrayed his country. tsk tsk his fellow americans in prison has got a very warm reception for him.

aquino is a fugitive he is Lacsons lackey. He is spying for lacson.

the Dacer’s want his ass nailed to the wall. I remember one Estrada opponent being told to shut up or he/she will be dacer all over again. I heard it on tv.

Whether the FBI found out very bad things about our politicians dont matter to me. with our politicians taking their shit to america its matter of course that they find out.

im more pro europe then pro america.

The Caving Roof

The spy business as had the likes of James bond for those that relish the numbers game like 007 and the missing opposition votes during the impeachment hoopla remind me that indeed, we are yet to learn the ropes, be unwell with the realm of things like be resentful why are we so down the pit of the food chain, to be gobbled up bad each time.

That’s about why America by whims of their taxpayer’s demands requires that they follow activities of people beneficiaries of U.S. dollar aid money, horrendous money involved so that we often experience being ‘looked over’ sometimes pretty harshly. If we have none to be checked for, it could mean we have none to answer for, but the truth is we have taken so much money from almost every of those that have them to spare, so don’t fret be it the Japanese or the Russians, because we took some money we need to be pried over as a result, and why not?

Okay so would we know how much money we by far have gotten since the time of the grant of independence from America?

If we have taken American money for whatever purpose or reason bad or good, it is a ground for the Americans to either check us over or look us over see to it the money goes where it is supposedly to go. How to make them stop checking on us is to stop taking money from them, and then we can bravely ask that that they desist from prying further, but until then, the checking goes on.

The Aquino-Aragoncillo spy scene in America is not of our domain, we should instead check this guy Aquino why has he scampered away hiding in America and not answer the Corbito-Dacer double murder raps against him now idling too long in the courts. I think that the celebrated murder cases should scare us and more so the Americans even more, I wonder why America has kept so uncaring about murderers like Aquino staying in America working as a nurse, funny isn’t it?

Why not allow ex-convicts work as caregivers in America?

i understand what its like.

if the us supports lacson to become president i would become a token terrorist and attack america too even if its only throwing darts at bush’s picture.

Aquino also wants to gather donations for his defense , why don’t he ask the family of bobby dacer for some money. karma lang ang tawag dyan

hey homer discuss natin yung common topic sa mga posts mo.
youve been saying na most of the problems we are encountering
right now are because of the fact that the filipino people are the
ones who elected these public officials to their respective posts.
You are saying that because of the filipino people we have the likes
of erap, lacson, gma, rey aquino, ramos, etc. etc. how will you apply
your opinion to those public officials who cheated their way to office ?
Kasalanan din ba ng mga pinoy yan ? you mentioned a framework that
will supposed to fix these problems. Will that eliminate power hungry
and corrupt individuals ? Alam mo kung wala itong mga issues na ito
or kung natago lang ang mga ito, wala na sana tayong gulo dito.
If your opinions will convince me, then i could easily say that i am on
your side

Mr. Anak,

Simple lang. If GMA as alleged, cheated her way to office, then, indeed, Pinoys did not put her there. But what I point out is the Congressmen who were duly-elected by the people who were counted on to do the right thing (to at least get the impeachment thing going). They did not. But then they have the people’s mandate to sit where they are and represent them in such a case because they were elected to those offices.

Sure. Come to Sydney some time. Bridge climbs cost AUD100 per head. 😉

When did we see an impartial NBI or DOJ? They always run after the opposition. When Lacson becomes President what would you expect? They will be running after every member of the arroyo and macapagal clan.

ok benign0, will be quiet for now.

michael ray aquino, patriotic? isn’t the reason why he fled the country because he was implicated to a certain murder (was it cervantes?). the obvious reason why he is treated as patriotic to some because of the oneness of their present cause, to oust arroyo.

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i agree with you bro… paano kaya naging patriotic si Michael Ray Aquino… labo naman ang reason ng nagsasabing patriotic siya. I will agree if he is concerned or ordinary fellow. But man, bata siya ng opposition especially ni Lacson. Ang patriotic yun yung iniisip yung kapakanan ng bansa and no other motives. Okay lang sana yung ginawa niya eh, kaso may hidden motives din eh, pabagsakin ang administrasyon. So i will not consider it patriotic move. It’s a lust of power by the opposition and just oust arroyo at all cause. USA/FBI spying the Philippines? Is this need to be investigated? Man, gawain na ng US yan. Hindi lang Philippines ang ini-spy nila, baka lahat ng Bansa sa mundo ini-spy ng US. So why waste time in investigating this, where in, it is already an open book to all countries in the world. Kung yun nga malalakas din na bansa hindi iniimbestigahan ang US sa pagiispy nito, Pilipinas pa kaya. Kung minsan di natin kailangan ipagdiinan ang prinsipyo natin, we must use our common sense. Lets face the truth, di natin pwedeng kalabanin ang US this time, we must be practical and realistic.

concerned citizen said,
September 17, 2005 @ 2:23 pm

michael ray aquino is not a fugitive. alam naman natin na sa new york sya at kumukuna ng nursing. eh sino ang fugitive? e di si HELLO GARCI???

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I agree with you that Garci is a fugitive, obvious naman yun eh. Ang problema kay Aquino he fled the country nung kumanta na ang kasama nilang si Supt. Dumlao about the Dacer case. If you are not guilty, why fled the country and not just clear your name on the accusations. Sasabihin niya he will not get fair trial here, he will not get justice here… Is that patriotic? Paano naman yung Family ni Dacer? How they can get fair Justice also when the accused are hiding in the US. How about the kuratong baleleng case? But for me nevermind that case coz the kuratong baleleng syndicate are criminals also. But that case is really obvious a rubout not shootout even Lacson and company claims it is a shootout. I will call this karma, nakalusot nga siya sa kaso niya sa Pilipinas, pero huli naman siya sa bansang sa tingin niya pwede niyang pagtaguan. Kay PGMA & Garci, darating din ang karma nila.

Questions:
1. Who are the three local beneficiaries that will be charged as co-conspirators?
2. What information were being transmitted?
3. Information has it that exchange of info started way back in September, 2004 – is this connected to the charge by the Palace of a Grand Conspiracy to bring down GMA’s government?
This latest development is a double whammy on Lacson. First, he was ordered to pay a fine of $31,000 at a California court; now, this one. Long suspected to be the mastermind in the Oust Gloria movement (juetengate and garci tape scandal), Lacson is in deep shit nowadays. My oh my! Gloria is in a lucky streak!

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Bangus said,”Come election time, they are given each P500 per person. For a voting family of 3 that is P1,500!”
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I agree with you buddy. That was the same actual amount distributed in Bohol by the party affiliates of the supposed neophyte presidential candidate FPJ last year. P500 was given way ahead before the election campain period. I don’t know with other provinces, but having Eraps (as best friend of FPJ) blessings I think it was a nationwide pay-off scheme. Pity, now his wife cried foul of election cheating. Same as the rest. Can someone tell me that vote buying is not cheating? Di siguro matatawag na cheating kasi talonan ,e!

As for Aquino-Aragoncillo spy case, I agree with Jonathan. Lacson is really in deep trouble now. Pimentel, has become very defensive lately about the issue. He received text messages with Aquino, but was not able to read because nag-hang daw ang celfone nya sa dami. Their e-mail correspondence was just formal daw. Pero ng tinanong siya kung saan nakakuha si Aquino ng e-mail add nya , there was no clear cut explanation. I wish Aquino to be prosecuted and convicted soon. His rushing to go to the U.S. in the height of Cervantes investigation ay nakapagtataka. Its so sad the Dacer Family wasn’t able to get their clamored justice. So as with the rest of PACC victims. Tsk..tsk…Ano kaya ang mangyayari sa Pinas kung si Lacson ang magiging presidente?

Toro said,
September 17, 2005 @ 6:41 pm

Michael Ray “Ninoy” Aquino a Patriot? The unscrupulous politicians who used him have given a new meaning to the word patriot. Lost in their interpretation is its true meaning which is loyalty to one’s country. Now that his cover is blown, these same politicians want to equate his service to them is the same as service to his country.
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Absolutely right man! Pag pala nabuking yung pagnanakaw mo ng documents, sabihin mo nalang patriotic move yun. Galing naman ng Alibi na yun. Nabuking lang ang plano, kung ano-ano ng alibi ang pinagsasabi, gusto iglorify pa yung ginawa ni Aquino at tawagin pa siyang patriotic. Ano klaseng palusot yan? Pero dahil masyadong marunong magsalita ni Lacson, dami naman nagpauto sa statement niya. Ano ba talaga? Ginagago na nga tayo ng administrasyon, magpapagago pa rin ba tayo sa opposition. Pare-pareho lang ang gusto ng mga yan, ang personal na interest sa position. Ngayon gustong palabasin ng opposition na naghihirap daw si Aquino sa US. Wala daw kakayahan kumuha ng magaling na abogado…Fund raising daw para pambayad sa abogado…Sinong ginagago nila at sasakay jan sa alibi na yan? Paano naghihirap yan nakapunta nga ng US eh. May sariling computer, nakakapaginternet, paano naghihirap yan?

kung yun ang perception nyo kay michael ray aquino we respect your opinion. depende yan sa nagsasalita eh. nasa tumitingin. bakit napatunyan na ba na sila ang pumatay kay bobby dacer? maraming mga hearsays noon di ba kahit nga si ramos naging suspect. if i remember it right babaliktad na daw si dacer againts ramos. pr man ito ng administration noon. aywan ko kung totoo ito. kinabukasan ayun nawawala na si dacer. matagal na ito kaya limot na rin yung mga insidente.

depende talaga sa nagiinterpret kung kampi sa opposition or sa administration. obvious naman dito sa mga blogs. parang hinde naman tayo sanay sa mga bayarang witness maidiin ka lang. kagaya ng pagbaliktad ng kasama ni michael ray aquino or ni delos reyes, mawanay, mahusay eh bakit di ka aalis kung alam mo na walang kang laban sa mga nasa poder. ganoon talaga run for your life or else…

yes matibay ang ebidensya sabi nila pero hintayin muna natin korte. wala pang decision. huwag nating pangunahan. hopefully huwag naman natin ipagdasal ang kapwa natin filipino na mapahamak. may sarile syang dahilan na tingin nila ay mali pero sa tingin naman ng iba ay tama. kaya nga patriotic according to others. hintayin natin yung mga depensa nya. hinde pa natin alam kung ano talaga ang motibo nya o intention. alam naman natin na may movement sya BE NOT AFRAID na may maganda ring hangarin para sa pilipinas. kaya siguro yung mga document na nadownload ni aragoncillo na pinasa sa kanya ay connected sa movement (pls read blog of SOLIDARITY) basta favorable sa pilipinas kahit mapahamak sya, kaya siguro siya tinawag na patroitic. as i have said kanya kanyang opinion yan.
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I agree with you dakdakero.

As to Aragoncillo, he’s no different from Garci. Peddling his position/influence to desperate politicians. Swerte lang ni GMA di pa na-spot si Garci.

BTW, nasaan na sina Atong Ang, Mancao, pamilya ni Ver, pati na si Rod Strunk. Dami natin unsolved cases. DOJ gising na.

I question the timing behind the arrest of Leandro Aragoncillo and Michael Ray Aquino? Why were they arrested only on the eve of Mrs. Arroyo’s arrival here in the U.S? Something is fishy here and it stinks.

When trial comes, I hope that the court will make available the evidence submitted by the FBI to the public.

nice theory schumey and nice imagination too…

let us be careful though as there might be some careless leaders who might mistaken it as facts and before we knew it, it already spread like fire, with plus plus twists on it….

peace!

mga kababayan ko pustahan tayo na may kurakot si Sec. Gonzales sa pang bayad sa Venable… Saka sa atin mamayan rin nila kinuha ang pang bayad sigurado.Dahil hindi niya masabi kung sino at saan nanggaling ang pera. (sabi ni Gloriang magnanakaw ay kailangan mag tipid tayo tapos ay gagastos sila ng napakalaking halaga para lang sa dayuhan).Sasabihin na may donor. sinong kumag iyun samantala na mga ganid sa pera sila. Isa pa nag tataka rin ako at bakit pa kailangan kumuha sa labas ng bansa ang gagawa ng laws sa pilipinas. Wala na bang matatalino sa atin. Iyung mga Professor sa U.P. or sa mga matataas na kolehiyo. Hindi ba sila puwedeng hingan ng payo ng mga magnanakaw sa Palace. Sa pag punta lang nila sa US ay isang katerbang mga mgananakaw ang kasama at gastos nating mga mamayan iyun. Ani na ba ang nagyayari sa pilipinas at nawawalan na akong pag asa. Kailan lalabas ang mga matitinong militar at para hindi na lumala ang nakawan. Sana ay ma KARMA silang lahat

koj

I’ll follow your suggestion, ok din yung title…..Hati tayo sa proceeds pag na-publish.

hahaha…. ’til next time. Masarap din tumawa di ba?

Peace to you all.

thanks for the infos. that is an opinion from the point of view of anti lacson. what about a view from pro lacson naman para fair. allegations pa rin kasi walang solid ebidence. anyone from lacson camp could refresh us about the issue? malay mo magaling sa psy war ang kabilang panig noon. maybe the crime itself was done in a manner na magpipinpoint kay lacson. that is what we call psy war. baka meron ding allegations pertaining to ramos as a suspect. alam mo pareho silang mga militar parehas silang magaling sa mga taktika. di ba? thanks toro for the infos. very much appreciated.

may kasalanan man o wala si aquino, galit man kayo kay lacson o hindi, as a filipino citizen, he deserves the assitance of the dfa. that’s their job. eto ngang chop chop lady tinutulungan nila. si norang shabungera tinutulungan din nila. kaysa ang fbi ang tulungan nila. napaka makapili. kung may kaso laban kay aquino dito, i-file niyo na. kung wala not only does he enjoy the presumption of innocence, you cant even connect him to the case. if you have a hello garci like evidence, i’d like to hear it.

that ny consul rebong has yet to convince me that she can recoup the USD10,000 rent we are paying for her.

read the sept 18 issue of phil star. What is the truth? by Babes Romualdez. it can be true.

As I remember during the BW Stock manipulation scandal, Dacer was the PR consultant of Erap. I don’t know if there is any relevance to this observation but that is what I had gathered at that time since we are closely monitoring the BW stock.

Medyo madali natin punahin ang pag-alis ni rey aquino sa bansang Pilipinas. For fear of his life, why don’t we assess kung sino ngayon ang nakaupo sa GMA government na mortal na kalabanan ni Lacson.

Lets not forget the way GMA uses personlities like Rose Bud and Ador Mawanay just to get even with Lacson.

mariatoo would you rather we cut ties with the US or ask your american friends to impeach their president? Or is humiliating Gloria enough? Or would you rather they intervene and install Lacson?

There seems to be a lot of indignation in the FBI spying on us. Is the FBI sending agents over here and sit outside our homes? Isnt that a little incredible? Why is the FBI operating outside the US? Isnt that CIA territory? The FBI broke their own laws?

Knowledge is power.

aquino is the underdog? is it a sympathy campaign now?

if the arroyos got in trouble later are you going to expect the lacson governement to help? heheh! no way!

now qualify the phrase “spying on us”. is it really a big deal? how did fbi get the info? send a team to the philippines and have them interview the neightboours? or do we assume they planted bugs in their cars and offices? now thats illegal isnt it? we assume they did that right? or did they listen to phone calls via satellite?now is that illegal? knowledge is power.

businesses knows more about you than the fbi does. the malls, the cellphone company, the car shops. i does not take much for somebody to put them together. i know how much info the it department has and it does not take rocket science to data mine the info like i do on all emails i have received in the past three years.

i just wonder why fbi is doing this not the cia. i thought the cia has exclusive jurisdiction in foreign intelligence. and to assume that cia shared this info which has no significance to domestic security to the fbi is incredible.

most likely the fbi got the info from people they have investigated and surveillance on our politicians who went to the US. is it illegal to do surveillance on visiting politcians, their friends and fmailies? bugging them yes. but what about noting where thay went what they wear and who they talk to? is that illegal? a friendly chat with stranger is not illegal right?

Well, Mawanay and Rosebud are for media consumption only. I guess the enemy of Lacson are those who are well enthrenched in the GMA government, silent and equally deadly.

I think we have to take things in a proper perspective. As per the aquino arrest, it looks like Uncle Sam is accomodating the GMA government. The Gen. Garcia scandal came into light only after the ELECTION. So I guess there is an element of timiing here.

With the spying case, it is another story, he is alleged to have violated US Law and his faith is already in the hand of the venerable US justice.

It is hard enough to fight GMA as it is (with her access to unlimited funds and abuse of government authority) what more if she has the backing of the most powerful state. Just a thought, though.

i think lacson would be a better president kung kay arroyo lang naman. kailangan natin sa panahon ngayon ang matapang na lider para madisiplina mga kurakot.. maganda ang record ni lacson noong pnp chief pa sya. tumino mga police. nasira lang image nya ng magkaroon na ng todo kampanya laban sa kanya ang kanyang mga kalaban. kasi si lacson lang ang walang takot sa mga ganid at kurakot na mga alipores ni arroyo na mga nakaupo sa pwesto. in a way nag succeed sila sa mga kampanya na mamamatay tao daw si lacson. nonstop ba naman ipalabas sa channel 9 kampanya laban sa kanya. syempre may mga “sarilng tv stations” na pera ng taong bayan ang nagpapaandar. yung kuratong baleleng. na ilang beses ng nadismiss. yung kay dacer & cervantes na panay allegations lamang. di pa natin alam ang tunay na kriminal baka nandyan lang sa paligid ni arroyo nakangisi at may pupa hehehe. sorry to say this kaya lang gusto ko lang mag react. kanya kanyang opinion yan pare. peace!

concerned citizen said,
September 19, 2005 @ 1:19 pm

i think lacson would be a better president kung kay arroyo lang naman. kailangan natin sa panahon ngayon ang matapang na lider para madisiplina mga kurakot..
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I agree with you in the sense that Lacson if he becomes president he can really focus on the programs he wants to do to the country. Dahil kung siya ang president, sino gagong maglalakas loob kalabanin siya if he his already the president and he has all the power. Ang bawat magsalita against sa kanya after maybe one month or one week, mawawala nalang parang bula. Kaya he can do whatever he wants, he can eliminate criminality, and he can also eliminate whoever become the opposition then. Yung mga allegations sa kanya, well hindi pa nga naman napapatunayan, maybe they are only black propaganda against him or maybe totoo ang mga yun at malinis lang siya talagang magtrabaho. Now if we want to gamble, then so be it, walang sisihan. He maybe a good president cause nobody will have a guts to oppose him. Pero kung ako man ang witness halimbawa sa mga binibintang sa kanya, never akong tetestigo, ano ako sira, gusto ko pang mabuhay sa mundo.

agree. concerned citizen. ang talino talaga ni aling glo. na masacre niya ang pagkatao ni lacson. kuntodo masacre. pero walang napatunayan.

wish.

thanks! noted. hope you’re not offended with my blog. i am a bicolano i also like rocco but i voted lacson for some personal reason. i admire rocco and forever will be the pride of bicolanos.

concerned citizen said,
September 19, 2005 @ 4:36 pm

thanks! noted. hope you’re not offended with my blog.
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Honestly speaking, i was offended on your blog especially when you accused me of being close-minded already. Kung hindi ako naoffend siguradong di naman kita sasagutin sa mga paratang mo sa akin. But anyway i already made my point and you made yours. It doesn’t matter wherever you are, what region your located,what is important we both believe on what the late sen. Roco wants for this country. I don’t care if he is a Bicolano or wherever he came from, what i admire at him is his vision for the youth and for the new philippines. I don’t know if he can fulfill those vision if ever he becomes the president but at least there is hope in his eyes that the filipino can excel in everything they do. But now he is gone, i’m just hoping that those visions for a better philippines will not go with him in his grave but will fulfill someday by somebody else.

I’m for contitutional succession, Sana lang, kung maalis si GMA, let’s all unite and support who ever succeds her. But we should still be vigilant and impose a transparent government.

ABS-CBN showed a couple of documents that were ‘allegedly’ stolen fron the FBI files and were considered classified. One was the analysis of the political situation and so called coup de etat rumors. The other one contained surveys which included the SWS survey.

Aren’t these public knowledge and can be researched even in the national library?

Hands off daw ang Malacanang regarding the ‘espionage’ issue, pero bakit kaya panay ang comment ni Gonzales, Wycoco and even Diaz of Interpol?

I believe this espionage issue was concocted to finally silence and demolish the opposition. The US, I guess believes that they will lose a lot should GMA be removed from office considering na wala silang ‘bata’ with the current personalities in the opposition.

One would wonder why it took so long for the FBI to catch these ‘alleged’ spies. With the volume of classified documents supposedly stolen from them, siguro kung ako ang FBI, 3 items pa lang, hinuli ko na si Aragoncillo.

concerned_citizen

Yes i a gree with some of your observations. If I remember right, panay nga ang labas ng ‘docu’ regarding Lacson sa ‘Isumbong Mo Kay Tulfo’. Whether these allegations were true or not, I would not make any comment.

FYI: Channels 4, 9 and 13 are sequestered stations and are being run by the government with taxpayers money. The government has no right to use these stations as propaganda machines particularly PTV 4.

Kaya lang naman mainit itong issue na ito dahil may bala na naman si FG Mike at ang mga uod ni Gloria laban kay Lacson. Thinking na mananahimik si Lacson sa pagexploit nila Wycuckoo, Wangwang Gonzales, at Berroya ng temporary John Doe identity ng Public official #1, #2, etc they had hoped to gain a lot of headway hoping that Lacson keeps mum. Pero, mas tuso sa kanila Ping kaya tameme sila uli.

Alam nyo bang ninenerbyos din ang Malacañang sa anumang ilalabas ng US tungkol sa isyung ito kung kaya, hinay-hinay uli ang mga tirador ng Doña? Takot silang magkaroon ng validity ang nilalaman ng Hello Garci tapes, or the existence of the tape itself. Kaya pilit na hinihingi ng DOJ, NBI, DFA, ang contents ng dokumentong nadownload ni Aragoncillo. Na alam nilang malabong ilabas ng FBI. Ang principal dito ay si Aragoncillo, hindi si Aquino. Kasong Kano vs. Kano ito.

Sa puntong ito, hawak ng mga Kano ang bayag ng lahat ng inolved sa istoryang ito, kasama na yung kay Gloria.

Actually, kung hindi mapapaalis si GMA kaagad which what the majority of the pinoy wants, willing ako maghintay until all the personalities involved comes into agreement or into unity. A middle force kung baga with the true intent to reformulate the Philppine Government and Economy. So, I think it could or it could not be Lacson who will be in the forefront.

GMA and all her alipores can stay until the time comes, but in the end I do hope that they will be charged and be held accountable for all their kalokohan. Let them have their days in court.

Meron na bang itemized sheet na puedeng ikaso kay GMA at sa mga sumusoporta sa kanya?

We may not like GMA with all her faults, dishonesty, boo-boos, but one thing that can be said about her is that RALLIES, effigy burnings, insults, on print, radio, etc., are tolerated and allowed.

Nobody has been imprisoned, tortured and killed for speaking out against her. She has been insulted without stop in all sectors, and even in congress. But has anybody been SALVAGED?

Does anybody honestly think we will have this kind of FREEDOM under Ping Lacson?

God forbid that he becomes president of this country.

We may have another MARCOS who is 10x more CRUEL!

Mark my words mga pare ko.

bangus said,
September 20, 2005 @ 3:11 pm

We may not like GMA with all her faults, dishonesty, boo-boos, but one thing that can be said about her is that RALLIES, effigy burnings, insults, on print, radio, etc., are tolerated and allowed.

Nobody has been imprisoned, tortured and killed for speaking out against her. She has been insulted without stop in all sectors, and even in congress. But has anybody been SALVAGED?

Does anybody honestly think we will have this kind of FREEDOM under Ping Lacson?

God forbid that he becomes president of this country.

We may have another MARCOS who is 10x more CRUEL!

Mark my words mga pare ko.

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Pre, I agree on what you’ve said. This is the price of being in a democratic way of gov’t. Since former pres. Cory Aquino tinolerate na natin na pwedeng bastusin, murahin ang sinomang maging president ng ating bansa. And this cycle will continue to the next generations coz we want this democrazy style of gov’t. We can show disrespect to leaders of our country wherever and whenever we want to. That’s why maybe only in the philippines that you can say bad words against a sitting president and other gov’t. officials. Even we don’t like them i think is not proper to this actions in a civilized society but what to do, everybody is tolerating it, from Cory to GMA.
About Ping Lacson, those you’ve said are just merely speculations just like what concerned citizen told me. And i agree with him, we are just speculating on the possible scenario if Ping Lacson becomes the president.
Does anybody honestly think we will have this kind of FREEDOM under Ping Lacson? I agree with this statement bro. I believe also we may not have the freedom to insult and say bad words against Ping Lacson if he becomes the president. But again this is only a speculation on my part i maybe wrong.
For the case of Aquino and Aragoncillo, i’m just wondering about Lacson alibi. Sabi niya yung mga ninikaw na documents nina Aquino and Aragoncillo wala naman daw sensitive na nakasulat sa mga yon. Common knowledge naman daw ang mga information sa mga documents na yon. Mababasa sa mga newspapers dito sa bansa, mababasa sa internet like sa PCIJ ang mga nilalaman ng documents na nakuha nina Aquino. Kung yun po ang totoo bakit naman kailangan pang nakawin nina Aquino yung mga documents na yon sa FBI files eh mababasa naman pala sa internet at newspapers sa pilipinas. Bakit di nalang sila kumuha ng copy ng mga newspapers or dahil sa nasa US sila at walang newspapers from the phil. available dun, anjan naman internet di ba. Anjan ang PCIJ, inq7.net, abs-cbnnews.com don’t tell me hindi nila alam ang mga site na to. Bakit kailangan pa nilang nakawin yung mga files sa FBI na alam naman nilang bawal yun, di nalang sila magbasa sa newspapers or magsurf sa internet kung yung mga documents na yun common knowledge na sa pilipinas. It don’t make sense to risk your life and reputation to steal classified documents if you can get them in legal and easy way like reading the newspapers and surfing the internet. Sa palagay ko hindi lang mga common knowledge information ang nakuha nila, may mga sensitive talagang nakasulat sa mga ito. The alibi of Lacson and company na wala naman sensitive information sa mga nakuhang documents for me is not acceptable, baka dito pa siya lalong mapahamak.

To add further, why is Pimentel very defensive of not having read all the texted informations kasi nag-hang daw ang celfone nya. Do you really believe that nag-hang ang celfone? Or maybe because of the sensitivity of the information gatthered thats why deny to death itong isa. Tanong ko lang.

napanood ko sa anc – according to atty. vinluan, michael aquino did not transmit to public officials classified documents . copy furnish documents lang ang kanyang mga pinadala. Sabi daw ni bergham aquino’s lawyer ay weak ang case. confident daw si aquino and family na makakaligtas sa kaso. postponed ang hearing ngayon sept 21 at ni reset di pa alam ang schedule.

di makasagot sila gonzales at aduque sa mga tanong na kung sino nag cancelled ng philippine passport ni aquino way back march 2004. nadetained si aquino dito sa immigration sa usa. (remember hinde siya convicted sa anuman krimen dito sa pilipinas). violation daw at walang due process. only the court can issue order of cancellation of passport. ang sagot ni aduque ang importante daw the passport was given back to aquino. paano kasi makakasuhan kung sino man nag issue. malamang dfa sa order ni arroyo. ni wala daw notice of cancellation. galit si atty vinluan at pinapaimbestiga kay sec aduque ang issue dito. sabi naman ni gonzales baka nagkamali daw. hehehe. admission to mistake? dapat may penalty kung ganon.

bakit si garci di nila macancelled passport eh may arrest warrant na nga? bakit wala man lang assistance ang dfa kay aquino samantalang yung sa singapore na pumatay ng kapwa filipino ay nabigyan ng tulong. si aquino mayron ba? double standard of justice? parang tuwang tuwa pa sila at nagkukumahod sa extradition nitong mga public officials na wala pa namang kaso.

sabi ni lacson sana this government should be fair to each of everyone filipino. sana nga.

I guess most people here are young, they never remembered martial law which we are “remembering” today.

The martial years was when MARCOS lorded it and sowed TERROR against those who were vocal against his regime, those who rallied, the poor students who were crushed, imprisoned and the many opposition who were salvaged through his military and the dreaded MISG under Colonel Abadilla who had PING LACSON as member.

They were responsible for the unimaginable torture during that time. Torture which was practiced for the first time to intimidate and sow terror.
Torture that was extremely inhuman- The WOMEN they would gang rape and then salvage. Those who had their periods were spared. Some of this rape were made in front of the families- husband and children.

Torture that has up to this day brought nighmares for the victims who say it would have been more merciful for them if they had been killed.

Their scars remind them of that painful episode.

We just HOPE post-GMA, we will continue to be in a democracy where we can all cry out, complain, rally, insult those in government during congressional and senate hearings, expose with the same freedom we have now and write all these reactions on a blog without having to fear the intelligence group (MISG) knocking on our doors and sowing terror.

ano naman ang papel ni lacson noon eh di pa naman sya officer. ordinaryong batang militar na sumusunod lang sa mga utos ng hepe. sino ang berdugo noon ha aside from marcos? baka nasa paligid lang ni gloria. aba lahat na lang ng napatay dito sa pilipinas ay binintang na kay lacson. o baka si ninoy aquino si lacson ang pumatay hahaha!! peace!

talagang nightmare martial law i agree. pero ang tanong after martial law umunlad ba bansa natin? (2nd from the bottom next to bangladesh) ano na nangyari sa mga nasequestered na mga properties ng mga cronies daw?

estudyante pa ako noon kaya do ko na masyadong maalala pero tingin ko wala naman magandang nangyari sa atin after martial law. mas lumala pa lagay ng pilipinas. sana God willing may pagasa pang darating na magandang umaga para sa atin at sa mga anak natin.

Sorry Jonathan…Lacson won’t be convicted….

You intelligence friend is not so intelligent….better to read more cold war spy books

First did lacson coerced the FBI specialist to steal information???

Lacson got copies of the information…So did a lot of the Honorable Military Men…

As Erap would say if there was a newspaper that use to wrap fish wouldn’t you read it????

This case never made headlines in the NY times or USA today….Why????

Thank you Bangus for the info. Here’s the link; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169163,00.html.

“The defendants face a charge of conspiracy and a charge of acting as unregistered foreign agents, the latter of which carries a sentence of up to 10 years and a $250,000 fine. Aragoncillo also was charged with unauthorized use of a government computer, which carries a sentence of up to 10 years and a $250,000 fine.” Fox News.

Basing on their manifested acts of accumulating classified documents, would it be proper for our government not to interfere with their case? For the obvious reasons, to wit;

1. That such interference might give a wrong signal to the U.S. Government that the Philippine Government is condoning their actions.

2. That such acts can make or break international relations between
the two countries.

3. That defending Aquino and Aragoncillo on the basis that they are Filipinos is very naive. Considering that the benefactors of their espionage is not our government. In fact, their affilations are for the destabilization of the present government. If our governments job is to defend all Filipinos litigated on a foriegn land regardless of any crime, then we should have defended Marcos Couple for the litigation of their unexplained wealth in the U.S. for the reason that they are also Filipinos.

Well this is clearly a stage manage release of the FBI intelligence report….It shows the US are actively looking who could replace GMA…This arrest is just a ploy to allow the FBI reports to trickle to the Philippine media….

Noli is out of the question as far as the US is concerned….so the search continues…GMA better watch out Uncle Sam wants a replacement….

rich__ong said,
September 21, 2005 @ 7:36 pm

It didn’t reach the print news why???? The space in the NY Times, USA Today or Washington Post is too precious for such a weak case….Thats the answer….Fox news??? BBC or CNN that is news….

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How did you know is a weak case? So you mean any case that is not published on those newspapers are weak? If it is weak why the FBI still pursue the case if they know it will not prosper because it’s weak as you have said? As far as I know the FBI and CIA are the most trusted & unfortunately feared law enforcement agency in the world. So i think they will not waste their effort and time without a good case.

CIA….where was the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction??? or weapons of mass deception….

cia, fbi, trusted? you’re kidding, right? hehe nagkagalit na nga si colin powell at si george tenet sa kapalpakan ng cia e. tandaan niyo yung aluminum tubes? remember the fbi whistleblower? do you even know of bojingka? diosmio. they have their own problems, my dear.

so kung hindi weak, are you saying that they have a strong case? what’s your basis?

ask also why the assessments on the phils was leaked to the press when they were not necessarily the object of the alleged, let me stress alleged, espionage. that said, with the case out there, releasing the dox do not seem all that gratuitous. ika nga ni sandara, who’s out and who’s in?

God help us if Lacson becomes president. The freedom we enjoy now- the rallies, the comments, the scenarios we play up, etc., will be lost.

Lacson will be a better version than Marcos – in the sense that he will know what to do with those who opposes him.

Be VERY afraid of Ping.

He is very, very dangerous.

We have other better alternatives than him. There are 80 million plus pinoys di ba?

FOX NEWS and NOT CNN is the biggest network in the US??? define biggest??? as I said BBC or CNN covers the world…If its mention in CNN or BBC is rattles the whole world….This thing ain’t worth mentioning…. Its a weak case… It was designed so the FBI reports can be made public by Uncle Sam….. the US of A is looking for GMA’s replacement…that is what the report all about….

The leak looks deliberate. They are influencing the political landscape. I say we disregard that document.

The US really matters doesnt it?

Free Michael Ray “Ninoy” Aquino!
Set the Filipino people free!

We appeal to the United States government to set free Michael Ray Aquino.

Ninoy, as he is often called, has been staying in the US to escape persecution by the administration of Gloria Macapagal Arroyo owing to his close association with Senator Panfilo Lacson.

Ninoy has no reason to violate any US law, more so compromise US security, considering he was allowed to stay in the country with so much limitations but still was given the opportunity to study nursing there.

Ninoy’s involvement in the fight for truth in the Philippines is no secret since his name appears with his email address on the website of the Be Not Afraid Movement at http://www.888.ph as among the coordinators in the United States of America.

Jailing Ninoy during this time can easily be misconstrued by Filipinos seeking the truth regarding the many issues raised against Gloria Macapagal Arroyo as a US move to politically protect her.

If there is one who should be in jail, it is Gloria Macapagal Arroyo. Every Filipino must be free to pursue and protest her every attempt of faking her legitimacy to be with the world leaders. Free Michael Ray “Ninoy” Aquino! Set the Filipino people free!

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mariatoo said,
September 21, 2005 @ 10:41 pm

cia, fbi, trusted? you’re kidding, right? hehe nagkagalit na nga si colin powell at si george tenet sa kapalpakan ng cia e. tandaan niyo yung aluminum tubes? remember the fbi whistleblower? do you even know of bojingka? diosmio. they have their own problems, my dear.

so kung hindi weak, are you saying that they have a strong case? what’s your basis?

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Pre, as i have said fbi and cia are the most trusted & unfortunately feared law enforcement agency… trusted, yeah maybe is debatable but as far as i know in the US they are trusted with only few debacles just like what you mentioned with the whistleblowers. But thats only few incident compare to their accomplishments as an organization. Anyway i agree with you, the word trusted is debatable… Now i said feared coz i believe they can manipulate things like evidence, witnesses etc..that can pin down anybody who is against US interest just like they did with the so called weapons of mass distraction of Iraq. Ngayon kung bibilangin natin yung kapalpakan against sa accomplishments i believe mas hamak naman marami yung accomplishments nila. Di ba napapansin lang naman natin madalas yung isang tao kapag nakakagawa siya ng kapalpakan at nakakalimutan na natin yung mga nagawa niyang accomplishments. You can build a good reputation for 20 yrs. but you can also ruin it in just 5 minutes. Even you made 100 good things, then you commit only one mistake, people will not see those 100 good things but they will focus on that one mistake.
About the case of Aquino, did i say it is strong? No, I only said it’s not weak coz they will not waste time for this case if they have a weak evidence. I cannot judge also that the case is strong cause i’m not a judge. what i mean only is that they have a case, period. Now is the case strong or not? I don’t know, coz it depends on many things, the evidence, the prosecutor, the defense, the witnesses etc…

my problem with your using the term trusted is the unquestioning manner you have with regard to the actuations of the fbi. the point is they get things wrong like say 9/11and they could be wrong in this case too. ipinauubaya mo na lang kay big bro and kasong ito without thinking it through? trust na lang? ganun? wow. sorry but that’s the height of colonial mentality.

mariatoo said,
September 22, 2005 @ 3:40 pm

my problem with your using the term trusted is the unquestioning manner you have with regard to the actuations of the fbi. the point is they get things wrong like say 9/11and they could be wrong in this case too. ipinauubaya mo na lang kay big bro and kasong ito without thinking it through? trust na lang? ganun? wow. sorry but that’s the height of colonial mentality.
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yeah, i’m sorry for using the word trusted. I’m thinking of an exact word but i can’t find one and trusted is i think the nearest one. That’s why i said nobody can’t say if the case is strong or weak because of so many circumstances to consider. If i’m not thinking it through i will directly say that the case is strong. but i did not say that.

here is the statement i counter previously,

rich__ong said,
September 21, 2005 @ 7:36 pm

It didn’t reach the print news why???? The space in the NY Times, USA Today or Washington Post is too precious for such a weak case….

I only question this statement coz as i understand it, if the case is not seen on this newspapers it means the case is weak. So the basis for his assesment that the case is weak depends on the newspapers. But anyway i stand corrected on my understanding here. i might be wrong…

Colonial mentality? Well i’m hypocrite if i will say that i don’t posses that attitude. Una akong pipila sa US embassy pag sinabi ng US na libre ang pagkuha ng visa at plane ticket papuntang US. If that is wrong for others so be it. I’m just honest to myself…

Well the editors of Washington Post, NY Times and USA Today know better….This case is so weak that they need not publish it since it will be just a waste of space….If this case had any implication….They should have come out in the respected newspapers…But It didn’t….They have judge the case as particularly weak….Its only the Philippine Media making noise about it….This papers didn’t even bother…..

im getting off topic but i just cant accept the idea of running away and have a better life in the US.

Maybe its because i have no capability whatsoever to emigrate to the US.

Im doomed to staying in this country so what the hell.

Mr. Soliven’s comment did not really surprise me. He is known to be very close to the present administration.

I think, it’s not a good idea to put down and condemn Leandro Aragoncillo and Michael Ray Aquino for what they did. Afterall, both of them are still are our “kababayan”. Besides, we really do not know the facts and the evidence in this case. I’m sure, they’ll be given a fair trial. I have a lot of faith in the judicial system of this country.

Dito sa U.S., we refer to our fellow Filipinos as “kababayan” whether they are Filipino Citizens who lives here or American Citizens of Filipino decent.

I think you know what I meant when I refer to Leandro Aragoncillo and Michael Ray Aquino as our “kababayan” but you are more interested of being a jerk about it.

With regards to the scandal involving both of them, If I’m not affected about it when I live here in the U.S. why would you be when you’re a thousand miles away? Mag-enjoy ka na lang kaya sa buhay mo d’yan sa Great Britain. Wala ka namang naitulong sa kanila except magdakdak ng magdakdak. At least, kami dito taxes namin ang ibinabayad sa kanilang court-appointed lawyers.

Leandro Aragoncillo and Michael Ray Aquino are nothing but a small-time thieves. This days, me being a Fil-Am working for the US government, felt very disappointed especially with the first. Shame on you both!

when us agents spy on the soviets back then the americans call them heroes or patriots.. but when the tables are turned they’re called criminals.. thats the way the process is lang.. it depends on which side your are right?? dont fret phil am guy.. umuwi ka nalang dito sa pinas.. at least dito wala masyadong psychos na katulad nina ted bundy n the manson family.. madami lang dito magnanakaw na public officials .. walang paki sa pag eespiya ng mga kano sa knila bagkos eh natutuwa pa na ginaganun sila ng mga kano.. kakatuwa.. walang sense on nationalism..

No doubt Michael Ray will rise above this and will come out a winner. As a child I have always admire his intelligence, charm, guts and for standing up to his beliefs. This is just one of those trials that is preparing him for the bigger role. I have faith in US judicial system. Although I agree that the allegations seemed rather pathetic and a clear sign of trying to cover up FBI’s embarrassment. I despise US’s continual appointment of themselves as godfather of all nations, which give them assumed rights to spy on everybody, and accuse, prosecute when threatened. Look at what they are doing to the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay. Shame on them! I trust that Michael’s Ray’s case be resolved soon and that he will get a fair trial in the US. Re Gloria, that is another matter. With all due respect, when notable academics and informed foreign politicians talked about Philippine politics, they think it is a laugh! Movie star becoming a president, (Arnold The Terminator, did studied law at least!)is fine as long as that man is actually capable of looking after its people and bring the country forward. I am not a fan of Gloria,but it seems that amongst who are on offer, she is the least dangerous, and at least she understand the need of International Trading and establishing foreign relation.

For that man who is proud and glad to have renounced his Filipino citizenship, well…. It seems, uncle Sam has successfully brainwashed you with their “united, American way of thinking”. I spent 3 weeks holiday with my cousin in a US Base in Tokyo enroute London, and was quite surprised about the coordinated thinking and pattern of speaking between them!

And for Michael Ray, we all make mistakes, that in a short lapse of judgement, we ended up in some uncomfortable situations. But no doubt he will rise above this and perhaps he could become the next leader that could start to bring some much needed good and strong leadership in our country.

Sigh… I must admit I was embarrassed by what Mr. Aragoncillo did. How is he now in the U.S.? What happened to the case file against him?

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