“Bukluran para sa Katotohanan”

good for you, softly. may your tribe increase.

ipinagdarasal ko na sana makamit na natin ang 79 para lumabas na ang katotohanan. sa mga kongresista na di pa pumipirma konsensya po nyo ang pairalin at pagmamahal sa bayan hinde po iyong para lamang sa iisang tao na may bahid na ang credibility.maawa naman po kayo sa mga pilipino na naghahanap ng hustiya dahil sa paglapastangan sa balota nuong nakaraang eleksyon

Sana dumami pa ang mga kagaya mo, softly.

Sana mawalan na ng kagaya mo, maligno, este benigno.

Sa mga nakapunta kagabi, ako ay nakikiisa sa inyo in spirit.

Pagdasalan natin na matanggal na ang mga malignong ispirito dito sa Pilipinas.

I was also there last night. I strongly felt it was time to make a statement that we want to know the truth. Set aside all political persuasions and come together for justice and truth.

By the way, in Pres. Aquino’s statement, the name of former Senator Soc Rodrigo’s daughter is Ditas Rodrigo Sevilla and not Rita.

Mabuhay ang Pilipinas!

Kung sakali man magtagumpay ang hangarin ninyong mga nagpunta sa De La Salle kagabi, babalik din kayo sa mga dati ninyong gawain. Di ko napansin kung nandoon nga si Imee Marcos. Kung sakali man nandoon nga. Ano kaya ang naging reaksyon niya sa mga sinabi ni Cory tungkol sa pakikipaglaban ni Ninoy sa tatay nyang si Ferdinand. Alam naman ng lahat ng mga filipinong “plastikan” lang naman ang ganyang mga pagtitipon. Maraming nang mga taong nadala sa mga nanggagamit ng “People Power”. Mapabagsak man ninyo si GMA bukas, lahat kayo magaagawan din ng pwesto. Ilang buwan lang makalipas ng EDSA people power 1, nag away-away na ang mga kasama ni Cory. Si pimentel halimbawa, nakagalit ng grupo ni Doy Laurel dahil puro mga kaibigan lang niya ang in appoint na OIC. Ang mga na appoint sa PCGG, nag kanya kanya ng nakaw ng mga diumano ay “ill-gotten wealth”. Sa EDSA peole power 2 naman, iniwan ni pimentel si erap at kumampi kay GMA sa pag-aakala niyang siya ang pipiliin na maging Vice President. Naging matindi ang galit ni Pimentel kay GMA nang di siya piniling Vice President. Si Serge Osmena, matapos na ikamniya siya ni GMA sa kanyang re-election bilang Senador, nagalit din siya kay GMA nang pinanigan ni GMA si Drilon as Senate President. Kung sakali ngang magtagumpay sa pagpapatalisik kay GMA, ganyan din ang mangyayari. Ang mga komunista naman, di sila kasali sa EDSA people power 1, saling pusa sila sa EDSA 2 at ngayon gusto na nilang maging major player sa kung sakali ay EDSA 3. Nag uunahan sila sa pagharap sa camera ng TV. Ganyan lang yan cycle of Political Circus. Ang totoong kawawa ay ang mga ordinaryong mamamayan. Sana magising na ang kaya mga pangkaraniwang mamamayan. Hwag na kayong gagamit sa mga nagtatawag ng People Power. Isa pa yang si Bishop Tobias na yan, akala niya siguro, pwede niyang gayahin si Cardinal Sin. Sabi nga ni Sen. Lloyd Bentsen kay Vice President Dan Quaile,”You are no Jack Kennedy”. Bishop Tobias, “Sorry, you are no Cardinal Sin.”

Hahaha, Eyes, thanks for the info.

Asher, you’ve just about knocked every supporting institution and major player in the pro-impeachment side. What’s your alternative?

Sa iyong pananaw, sino ang pinaka-karapatdapat na magsalita para sa ordinaryong mamamayang Filipino?

In my personal opinion, it’s those with the most to lose — those congressmen who haven’t been hogging the cameras, who belong to the administration, and yet who officially endorsed amended impeachment. I also admire the Church laity who’ve been praying for the good of the country.

Asher

How true…how true. hehehehe.

Let me post Magno’s articles for today. Dagdag pang-gising sa mga pro-impeachment.

In the end, it was their own arrogance that did the opposition in.

That, and a quaint anti-democratic assumption underpinning their whole impeachment misadventure: that our institutions are so weak that they may be bamboozled any day by noisy minorities.

If they threaten to walk out of proceedings whose very rules they chose or try and intimidate everybody else by saying that there would be riots in the streets the moment they do not get their way on any matter under collegial consideration, the opposition thought they could win the day. There is a seeping fascist attitude underpinning a suffocating self-righteousness that characterized their every utterance. They had the equivalent of Hitler’s brown shirted militants literally standing outside the gates of the Batasan, waving their red flags, chanting obscenities and behaving like bullies.

There is bigotry, too.

The demagogues of the opposition claimed a monopoly of truth and “conscience.” They smeared those who were not on their side of the argument, labeling them paid hacks, cover-up artists and, generally, men without conscience.

By insulting those they should be trying to win over by the force of argument and evidence, they lost their numbers. They lost the day.

This is simply not the way parliamentary battles are conducted.

It pained me to listen to my friend Rep. Edmund Reyes deliver that solemn but ultimately silly soliloquy at the start of the last, conclusive session of the House Justice Committee.

The whole soliloquy was pure demagoguery. Reyes claimed for his side exclusive possession of some “truth” in danger of being snowed under if they do not get their way. What that “truth” is was never made clear. At any rate, if it is a “truth” with nay value, then it might be unveiled in any other venue of their choice outside the impeachment process.

He conveniently forgets that impeachment is, in the last analysis, not about determining a final “truth”. It is an act of state to remove from office an official deemed prejudicial to the national interest. That is, in the whole tradition of political philosophy, a judgment conducted on an entirely separate plane: the plane of statesmanship.

What finally ruins Reyes’ silly soliloquy is the fact that at its core is a cheap bluff. He claims to have a list of an additional 23 signatories to their version of the impeachment complaint. These signatories were willing to be unmasked only after the magic 79 has been reached. On this basis, Reyes makes one last desperate plea for 6 more signatures from the members of the House to bring forth some mysterious “truth” that he claims.

The collegial deliberations at the House on a matter as serious as impeaching a sitting president is not a game of poker where bluffers could manage to be rewarded. That cheap buff Reyes tried to pull demeans the honor of the process and denies the deliberations the quality of high statesmanship that is the basis of its validity.

Even if those 23 faceless signatories do exist, it is obvious they are all opportunists. They have neither the moral conviction nor the courage of statesmen that should make them deserve the privilege of altering the course of our political history.

If we allow the course of our political history to be defined by opportunists, that will be a final insult on our people.

It is only just that Reyes’ bluff flopped, that he walked awkwardly away from the rostrum that did not deserve the sort of speech he delivered without an additional signatory to his lost cause, cheered only by a handful of fanatical communists who managed to infiltrate the gallery to pull their usual infantile stunts.

I am disappointed that Edmund found common cause with fascist bullies who think their version of the “truth” will triumph if only they screamed hard enough into the ears of elected representatives of the people. They have no qualms about committing travesty upon the essential principles of representative government. They have no respect for reasoned and disciplined argument.

In the aftermath of the Justice Committee’s junking of the impeachment complaints, the Band of Brats continued whining and bluffing like a wild bunch from an incompetent kindergarten.

At the rate they complain about counter-maneuvers by the majority, it as if they want a world where everyone else lies supinely while they pull off their political concoctions, a chess game where only they have the right to move and the opponent only waits passively to be checkmated.

Someone should tell these children that this is not the way the world works. In the real world, regimes have the right to defend themselves as much as detractors have the right to attack what they perceive to be failings.

I hate this whole episode of contrived scandals and sloppy impeachment complaints.

This episode constrained me to disagree vehemently with good friends and old comrades who think we should have an uprising as often as we celebrate Christmas.

What they presented us so far is a faulty fabric of hearsay, rumor and innuendo woven together by self-serving political agendas and stained by much malice. With that fabric they wave self-righteous banners, courting a new round of chaos that will only make our institutions more brittle than they already are.

I sense that this whole unfortunate episode is driven by a certain hubris among those who saw through what we call “Edsa Dos” and led themselves to believe that revolution is like a picnic.

That hubris explains the overdose of arrogance and self-righteousness we have seen among those who think impeaching the President is the way to solve the problems that now confront the nation.

That hubris explains why men who otherwise of goodwill have recently found themselves aligned with the most scheming of our marginal politicians as well as with those groups that have made street protest a cottage industry of sorts.

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si benignO kulang sa pansin na american idol

kung talagang magkakaron ng people power join ako dyan. first time kong sasali sa rally. di ko na talaga matiis kelangan na talagang lumabas sa kalsada

Gloria will not hesitate to shed blood if that’s what it takes for her to stay in malacanang.

Tayo naman how far are we willing to go?

e si no ba naman kasing interesado sa buhay ng isang two-bit pundit like claudio. and i wouldnt put it past the media to barter their profession for a few dirty bucks.

at sino na itong si alex magno? pinakadakilang tuta ni arroyo. ang laki ng napakinabangan nito kay big mike. aba araw araw ito na sa the firm sa makati. rumaraket sa mga foundations kuno na galing sa pondo mg bayan. walang ginawa ito kundi magdaldal at magsulat sa star n napakabias sa lahat ng broad sheet dito sa pinas. syempre sino ba ang may ari d ba si belmonte na isa ring tuta? hoy alex magno mahiya ka namn sa kapal ng mukha mo halos umabot na sa baba dahil sa laki ng naraket kay bigmike. grrr… sana sumama ka na sa amo mo sa usa ng mabawasan mga salot dito.

Now there are so many groups surfacing against PGMA. But this people are the old faces still… wala na bang iba? wala na bang mga bagong mukha? Binabago lang ang pangalan ng movement pero same faces…
Last news i’ve heard ” Arroyo foes unite for new people power”… they said this movement could lead to a new people uprising if lawmakers would insist on suppressing the truth…(sure?). How many times you told that? from the first day of the garci tape yan na ang naririnig ko… Puro kayabangan kasi pinapaiiral ng mga ito eh…Arrogance! Pogi points sa camera… Press release lang lagi wala naman nangyayari. Why the people don’t want to go to street? many factors… People don’t trust also the leaders of this movements… We need new faces not the old dirty faces… And besides malaki na ang pagkakaiba noon Edsa 1 & 2.. Today the technology is very fast developing… People are so busy nowadays. Look the internet cafe, always full, Youth are busy on internet. Look at the shopping malls, people are busy window shopping even they don’t have money.. bakit nga naman pagaaksayahin ng panahon ang mga politikong yan, kahit mapalitan man si PGMA mararamdaman ba ng karaniwan tao ang pagbabago. of course not.. same old story again. Sa mga rally sino ang front line, ang mga masa, nasaan ang mga lider, andun sa aircon na room, nanood lang. lalabas lang kung magsasalita na sa stage para makakuha ng pogi points… Kawawang masa nagpapagamit sa mga ganid sa posisyon.
I’m not in favor of PGMA, I don’t like her and i never voted her. I know also she is guilty of the garci tape, but i don’t like either the people behind this movement cause i believe most of these personality have hidden agenda and personal interest on the position in the gov’t. But not all maybe 90% only…
We need really change, how to do it? i don’t know… PGMA should leave the office now but who will replace her? i don’t know also? Anyone here knows who is perfect for the presidency? Can you suggest names…???
Can i ask you one more thing, If PGMA will be replace by somebody else will the philippines be great again, will the filipino people like me will listen and respect the president and their leaders ??? Again history will repeat itself… or People will repeat history again…

Masha and concerned

It is not about Alex Magno why I post that. Why…? would you read it if I wrote their its written by Satur Ocampo or Joma Sison? Or would you prefer Rez Cortez? My dears…it is about the substance of that article – not who wrote it. When you go down to the personal – then all I can say is “sarado na nga” !

Jun2001 you absolutely make the point here. If somebody from the opposition wrote it, Masha may comment in the opposite way. Because we already set our mind that whoever talk from the administration he/she always lying even we haven’t yet analyze the content of what he/she said. I’m telling you I’m not for PGMA, but lets be fair and square in our comments.
If we will base our comments only on personality then were not getting the right information. I know that Alex Magno is really a Pro-GMA columnist. But we must analyze it’s point of view also. There are some biases maybe but other point are good arguments. When Atty. Paguia said that the tape came from Sen. Tatad (who is an opposition) did we question the integrity or biases of the tape here? I don’t read any comments here questioning the biases of the tape bec. it came from Tatad. But when the source came from the administration side our judgement is already final, they are telling lies.

…. and a weird blogger….if they are on the wrong side now, what do you call the other side? the very wrong side? please dont use the name of our national hero, its like rizal being shot again.

naku ha. are you kidding? trace trace pa dyan. e si jdv kaya, enrile and brenda herself, miriam? there’s nothing wrong in working together to try find the truth regardless of political or familial affiliation. nixon’s resignation was brought about by both republican and democratic efforts.

tawag lang kayo and we are ready to take to the streets.

btw, got this text today “goodbye 79! all pro-gma and undecided congressmen to receive millions of pesos to ensure their support. taxpayers’ money used to make sure gma stays in power. good job by appropriations COMMITTEE HEAD and FUTURE BUDGET SEC ROLANDO ANDAYA. ANg-DAYA mo talaga!”

ay nakalimutan ko ilagay na ang tawag sa fallacy na ginamit mo ay NON SEQUITUR or IT DOES NOT FOLLOW.

Hi MitaMS,

There is no argument that we should respect other’s opinion.But, for me, it is important that one should take side after doing some brain work or simple logical analysis.

There is a perceived confusion in this gloriagate issue, primarily, because both sides, even the middle-no side has something to say.

But if we all reduce things to its barren simplicity then confusion maybe avoided if not properly addressed.

For instance, Government, particularly its executive head,should be made accountable on why Garci was allowed to leave the country. Garci,as we all know, holds the answer, but why he need to run?
Flight, in our criminal law, is an evidence of guilt.

For so long as the Government, more particularly the gloria administration, hides and perverts the ultimate truth, then expect adverse opinions to come their way.

gloria wants to put the impeachment aside, ano tayo hilo? or worst, tanga?

to indio_lawless and MitaMS

there is less doubt now as to the views of most of our people. even if they don’t participate in this blog, 80% disapproval, more than 70% believed that GMA cheated in the last election, surely speak louder than words. Eight million population in Metro Manila, just say two million adults.

70% of 2 million will be one million 400 thousand, enough to overun the entire PNP and a division of soldiers. In Hungary, in their previous revolution. it took only a few thousands angry people to shred and kill with their bare hands a tyrant ruling a city.

THE SURVEYS SAY A LOT. BEWARE OF NUMBERS, IS WHAT YOU CAN ADVISE TO THOSE WHO USE NUMBERS TO INFLICT TYRANNY.

Today or within this week, patriots with balls in congress should resign en masse if gloria traitors succeeds in plenary to kill the impeachment after all congress is now shamelessly useless than payatas. Opposition members are no longer able to serve the interests of their onstituencies, They just become accidental parasites and opportunists hoping waiting for the crumbs malacanang will throw them.

Let hell break loose without bloodshed
In the garbage dump of a congress that
Has caused the nation immeasurable harm.

Let a few resigned congressmen and people of their districts rise in revolt against a force that has plundered and rape
the country.

Let the eight rays or more of the sun in our flag light and shine again as it did once to ward of tyranny.

It is now time for the few honorable members of congress to leave this arse hole and comeback another day, a congress that is dirty, damaged and condemned by the people for not only failing to do its duty but also for being a haven of rascals and scoundrels who inflict serious harm to the polity.

LET IT BE KNOWN TO THE FIGHTERS
FOR IMPEACHMENT IN CONGRESS:
PATRIOTS NEVER LOSE, THEY KEEP
ON FIGHTING UNTIL REPLACED
BY THE NEW GENERATION.

LET THE FEW MAKE WORLD HISTORY.
RESIGNED FROM A STINKING HOLE
AND GO DOWN TO THE PEOPLE.
LET THE FEW BECOME MULTITUDES
WHEN JOINED BY THEIR CONSTITUENCIES.

i think resignation is too much to ask, jay. they can still hold a fight and more effectively while on the inside.

(pro-impeachment congressmen to resign, in case pro-gma minions succeed?) to resign and lose the limelight? highly unlikely…

don’t ask too much from these congressmen, no one will die for their cause, lalo na iyong mga ‘undisclosed endorsers’ (unless they reached 79)…nag pa-play safe…

noelet

thanks for the comment.

Mita and Masha,

Ang tali-talino naman ni Masha. E kong ang babasahin mo lang ay yong mga punto na naayon sa iyong pinaniniwalaang katotohanan – ala akong reklamo. If you dont want to read other people views/opinions because they dont fit to your world view – OK lang. Not looking at the other side of the fence – indeed shows that you are very logical as you claim to be. Keep it up. Peace.

Has PCIJ already posted the report
of the Justice Committee?

thanks jun2001. pero ayan ka na naman putting words into my mouth na di ko naman sinabi (or sinulat). i never claimed to be logical. i just accused you of trying to be logical when actually you were far from it; using fallacies and all that. a clearly partial dufus like alex magno should never be considered because what he writes is trash. his kind of opinion does not bear to be discussed because he is a clear kiss-ass. but hey, if that kind of thing gets your motor running, go for it, dude. you might be one of the few he needs to justify his star paycheck.

To Jose RIzal II a.k.a. whynoypisfail:

Sabi mo – “Cory forgets that GMA is the successor (and protege) of FVR, her handpicked and annointed successor for the 1992 elections.”

Wrong again!

Cory’s officially endorsed candidate in 1992 was Fred Lim. With Danding and Imelda splitting among them the still formidable Marcos vote, and Miriam biting off from that same chunk from Metro Manilans and Visayans she had impressed with her glib and sophistication, the Cory camp believed any candidate they would field would be a shoo-in for the Palace by the Pasig. But as the LDP (which was then divided between the party president Monching Mitra and newcomer Fidel Ramos) cannot come up with a candidate acceptable to civil society, Rene DeVilla took it upon himself to represent them, as his wife was an active member.

Mitra won by a wide margin in the LDP convention but as he is perceived to be the personification of the term “trapo”, Cory had to junk him and choose between DeVilla and someone else more interesting (DeVilla was, is, and will always be boring but very un-trapo), she chose Fred Lim because of his successful exploits as NBI chief, later as DILG Secretary. Not to be left out, Ramos formed a new Party, Lakas ng Tao and the rest is history.

JR2, see?

patalsikin na si gloria!!! kapal mukha nya shit talaga… putsa!!! nakakapgmura talaga ako sa sobrang galit… psensya na po…sama sama sila ng mga walanhiyang kongresista na kulang na lang halikan sya sa p—t nya!!! maya maya lang lang join na kami ng tita ko sa rally.kilos na bayan!!!

Tongue in Anew,

Well, it looks like you just fell flat on your face with your idiotic attempt to challenge my statement.

You tried to to correct me, when I was correct all along. Before you even try to correct someone, try to get your facts straight!

Cory Aquino, way back in 1992 even had a full page ad where the picture was her shaking Fidel Ramos’ hand and the caption said something like “Take Over, Eddie.”

She officially endorsed Fidel Ramos over Ramon Mitra – and many say it was because of his 1986 EDSA I support for her side and his continued loyalty all throughout Cory’s coup-riddled term.

How could you even get yourself confused between 1992 and 1998?? I can understand a bit of your confusion, though: Fred Lim and Fidel Ramos were both uniformed men and both remained loyal to Cory (and defended her) during the coups that Gringo Honasan and company kept staging.

Nothing changes the fact, though, Tongue in Anew… You wanted to put my arguments down by challenging them. The problem is, you didn’t get your facts straight, so you’ve totally lost your credibility.

Another thing you didn’t get right: Renato de Villa ran on his own when he failed to get Ramos’ endorsement as standard bearer. Instead, Ramos gave it to Joe de Venecia and took GMA – who was the senatorial topnotcher of 1992 – to become the Vice Presidential bet. And in the 1998 elections, GMA credibly won the VP post surpassing the number of votes that Erap won as president.

Where did you get your wrong information???

Sorry, Tongue in a New… You’re going to have to do a lot more reading, thinking, analyzing, and soulsearching before you can even come close to challenging me.

Such a poor student of history you are.

Oh, and I have never denied that I am whynoypisfail. I chose to change my name (and I announced the name change by saying “I won’t use whynoypisfail anymore…”) in another thread. So in line with my decision not to use that already discarded name, please refer to me solely as José Rizal II, ok?

Wala na ang impeachment! People power na ba? Halos lahat tayo dito gustong mapatalsik si PGMA. Pero hindi na ako interasado kung paano man siya mapapatalsik sa pwesto. Excited ako kung sakali ngang magtagumpay ang mga nagsasabing hawak nila ang katotohanan at mga ibat’-ibang movement laban ka PGMA, kung anong gagawin nila pagkatapos mapatalsik si PGMA. Gusto ko ng makita kung sino ang mga parang asong ulol na maguunahan sa mga mababakanteng pwesto, gusto ko na makita kung sino ang babaligtad ulit dahil hindi siya nabigyan ng posisyon sa bagong gobyerno. Makikita ko na naman ang pagsisiraan ng bawat grupo na hindi napagbigyan ang kagustuhan. Sana nga matanggal na si PGMA para makita ko na kung sino sa mga nagmamalinis at nagsasabing gusto lang ay katotohanan ang may personal ma interes sa posisyon sa gobyerno. At magkakasundo kaya ang mga kasama sa bukluran na ito kung sino ang gusto nilang pumalit kay PGMA. Sino kaya siya? Alam mo ba kung sino? Pakisabi nalang po kung alam ninyo? hindi ko po kasi alam kung sino ang gusto nilang ipalit kay PGMA… Gusto ko po kasing malaman kung sino siya bago ako sasali sa kanilang pinaglalaban, para sa akin po importante iyon dahil siya ang mamumuno kung sakali….

Ok clear natin mga candidates ng president and vice president in the past elections:

1992

Fidel Ramos — Partido ng Tao ( an instant party he created after he lost in the LDP convention from Ramon Mitra)
Ramon Mitra — LDP Candidate and presumably Cory’s candidate
Danding Cojuangco — NPC Candidate
Mirriam Defensor — ran also with her own party.

In that elections, officially Cory’s candidate is Monching Mitra but because Ramos betrayed the gentlemen’s agreement doon sa convention ng LDP and created his own Partidao ng Tao, in the end the resources of the government went to Ramos. Cory eventually supported Ramos.

In this election, during the counting, Mitra ws too early to admit defeat during the first week of the results of the elections. It was a fight between Ramos and Mirriam Defensor. A friend of mine who was a lawyer consultant of the Comelect told me later that it was at this time that the dagdag bawas was first tested. With Ramon Mitra not minding what were his votes in Mindanao, the dagdag bawas operatives hauled the votes of Mitra to Ramos, so Ramos won in Mindanao overtaking the votes of Mirriam in Metro Manila.

1998

Candidates for president:

Joseph Estrada for both Partido ng Masang Pilipino and NPC
Jose De Venecia for NUCD and PPC
Rene De Villa for Pwersa ng Masa
Fred Lim — forgot his party

In this elections, again what happened to Mitra and Ramos was repeated in a different fashion for Joe De Venecia and Renato De Villa, while Fred Lim is a third force with the support of Cory and the Church because both does not support either Joe De V and Erap Estrada.

It was in 1998 that Gloria Macapagal won as vice president.

Dagdag Bawas was not possible to help Joe De Venecia because Erap won by landslide. But the overwhelming votes of Gloria Macapagal may have been the handiwork of Garci who at that time is the contact person of Mike Arroyo in Mindanao.

The rest is history.

[…] This from the Philippine Center for Independent Journalism (PCIJ) Blog in Manila: From a Philippine citizens’ impeachment tribunal to a truth commission, now it’s a citizen’s congress that groups under the broad coalition Bukluran Para sa Katotohanan (Coalition for the Truth) are finally setting in motion to bring out the truth about the charges raised against Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo in her aborted impeachment case. […]