What is the MILF thinking (and feeling)?

as per the post: Whatever it is, the simple but ugly truth that now stares us in the face is: the Filipinos hate the Moros so much that they would never allow the latter to be free or even be given a semblance of self-rule.”

With these statements from the messenger, I would say that the MILF are considering themselves as not Filipinos. So wala talagang patutunguhan yung negosasyon ng kahit sinong umupo sa gobyerno ng Pilipinas corrupt man o mas corrupt pa. They-MILF do not want to be ruled under the Philippine Government or by anybody else except thru them and from within.

But there is something in between, they-MILF do hate the Filipinos for they think that they were robbed or took away their freedom -(going over the statement above/ or twisting it over).

This is what I have said in one of my post in the other topic…that ” Instead of alienating the insurgents, the government should reach out and engage them, understand their plight, initiate confidence- and trust-building measures and resolve the matter peacefully. The approach must be holistic as a major factor in insurgency is the absence of government in the remote areas where the rebels are strong. All government agencies should be involved in delivering basic services to the people. “…though I say “rebels or insurgents”, the MILF is indeed a rebel, a non-conformist to the Philippine Government as a whole.
Yes, the Government should reach out but not to negotiate…the Government should make them feel their presence by working with their people and making improve their people’s lives to exercise their freedom but not to make an agreement.

[…] editorial also points to this press statement by the MILF, while over at The PCIJ blog, Soliman Santos suggests the further radicalization of Moros if hostilities continue. He points to […]

“The Filipinos have forgotten that the Moro homeland has been occupied and owned by the Moros since time immemorial and for which they have sacrificed many lives down the centuries to preserve and defend from aliens, including the Filipino colons, who covet it.”

The problem is the historical time line that they are shoving in our throats and mindless exclusivity of deluded thinking that Moros are not Filipinos when in truth and in fact we are all Filipinos mostly with Malay race and other ethnicities.

How pathetic and what are they thinking really? The fact is before the 13th century the Philippines is inhabited by Anito praying people and that includes the Moros. Islam may have come before Christianity which came via India (yes, would you believe it came from India, lol) and the Arabs concocted the Sultanate and Datu System with these so-called Royalties claiming to be descendants of Arab and even straight from Mohammad. If we then go with these historical time line, how can the Moros claim to be Indigenous when they are no different from the Christianized Filipinos? Their Sultans and Datu are also definitely not Indigenous as they originated from Bin Laden country so how can they justify or prove that Mindanao is their exclusive ancestral domain.

The problem with the problem errrr I meant the bogus perception and bogus demands on ancestral domain will not fly because we are all snub nosed Malays. Unlike the Caucasians and the Indians in the US where genuine ancestral domain really applies, which our colonial minded constipationalist inserted in the 1987 constitution. Made even worse by the SC in their interpretation because maybe they were watching too much western B movies.

The reason for giving ancestral domain to the IPs is because they live off the land and their environment, can we say the same of the Moros?

Pedestrian Observer GB

“ x x x playing on the ignorance of the Filipino public to drum up opposition to an agreement that would be the key to resolving a long-drawn conflict that has confined both the Bangsamoro and Filipino peoples in the political, economic and social quagmire.”

“x x x the Filipinos hate the Moros so much that they would never allow the latter to be free or even be given a semblance of self-rule.”

These are inflammatory lines that suggest that the proponents of the Bangsamoro self-rule are the only people in this planet who are very intelligent and can understand the conflict in the political and economic life of the nation.

For me sir, the Muslims have put up several mosques in the heart of Metro Manila; have occupied huge chunk of real estate along Tandang Sora and have being doing business in the Metropolis. Their Christians counterpart had never asked them to leave the cities and other real estates in the cities by claiming that they were occupying the ancestral lands of the Christians.

For me sir, there are no Christian ancestral lands and neither Moro ancestral lands. Only Philippine archipelago where every Filipino has the birthright to subject any piece thereof to his possession by purchasing it, occupying it, tilling it and putting a claim and title as allowed by our land registration laws.

Ancestral lands may be declared by the government reserved only for certain indigenous people like the Tausog or Maranaws, of Sulu or Tawi-Tawi or the Igorot of the Cordilleras or the Aeta of the Camarines. My ignorance does not lead me to the concept that “Bangsamoro” is an ethnic or indigenous people who are entitled to ancestral lands. Granting that such ancestral land entitlement is equitable, what would prevent the Bicolanos, the Kapampangans, Tagalogs, Batanguenos, Cavitenos, Ilocanos, the Ilongo, the Hiligaynon and other regional people from claiming their own ancestral lands?

We are pushing the country to medieval period where every piece of land is headed by a warlord or a chieftain who demands absolute loyalty from his subjects instead of promoting the concept of “one nation, one flag”.

Other people would like to be the citizens of the world, but we want to keep our own petite kingdom so we can enslave our own people and have a territory for our own tactical struggle.

Some people cannot quite comprehend the proposition that our Muslim brothers who been struggling for cessation and for its own Republic would suddenly give up that aspiration after they were given their ancestral nation. They were clamor for more!

“O what a tangled web we weave, When first we practise to deceive!” (Sir Walter Scott (1771 – 1832)

tounge in,

they say that dumb/genius minds run on parallel lines.

jcc…therefore in this case…the dumb/genius are in equilibrium. 8)

i think we were on the side of the dumb because we keep posting at PCIJ.. joke only …

Mr.jcc I replied with what people are writing here based on my own experienced and others. And as I can see, the opinion are all one sided and doesn’t stressed a thing you called ‘one nation one flag’. Your merely blaming the muslims for everything. And do not forget that today is the result of what people did yesterday.

[Your issue about being discriminated was by reason of your Dean’s myopic perception of the world and it did not represent the view of Filipino people towards their Muslim brothers.] – Mr.jcc go out and survey you would know what am talking about.

[ And you include Tandang Sora, in the heart of Quezon City and part of Luzon as part of the Bansamoro Land and yet you claim of being discriminated against by landlords who refused to lease you a place to stay. Maybe it is because Muslims have no track record as a good tenant and known to have left an apartment without paying the rent. Maybe it has nothing to do with your being a Muslim, but more on tractability of good paying records. Landlords will do that even to Christians.] – I didn’t claimed anything Mr.Jcc I merely replied to that person thought about muslims residing in manila. Maybe you need to read it again. And yah muslims and Christians can have bad record but why they only banned muslims? Tell me?….

[Bombing of your area was in retaliation of your own bombing against civilians. Your Muslim people also killed Christian civilians. You have your own share of fault. Please bring the Paticul incident to your mind and read this news dispatch:] news you say mr jcc? I don’t rely on news. Have you ever thought beyond what people are saying in the news?.. let me give you an example a muslim guy whose illiterate went on a market in Mlang to buy his sick brother a food and on his way back a policeman give him something for his brother thinking it can help them he accepted it not knowing it was a bomb. He was convicted without trial.

another muslim guy in kidapawan , he was looking for his Christian girlfriend after a bombing incident and just because he was the only muslim who was in the crime scene they put the blamed on him.
Until now this people are still in jail for a crime they never did but because they are muslims there is no justice for them…

Tell me about peace mr jcc? Is this peace? The Filipinos are trying their best to prove that the muslims are terrorist so that the US can help them eliminate them but if the MILF are terrorist like the alqaida I don’t think the Philippines government would stand a chance.By doing this your destroying not only the muslim people today but those who aren’t born yet for the future doesn’t hold any justice for them…

The ongoing war in Mindanao could only be blamed to the government. The MOA-AD has been going on for 4 years now but why it only leaked just before the time of the signing of the contract [could it be a planned?] it doesn’t state anything about separation it was merely giving the muslim the right to maximize their own natural resources in the area of a certain place were dominated by muslims.

Because compared to you, muslim areas mostly not yet civilized. Doesn’t have concrete road ,doesn’t have electricity ,doesn’t have public toilets. bathrooms. And there are some who doesn’t even know how to cook noodles.

The MOA-AD also stated that the government can only have 25% of the income and the politicians doesn’t like it because they want more money. They’re afraid also that GMA might be doing this for her own purpose. Your selfishness and fear with future resulted to the deaths of people… even a grades school knows this.

mawalang galang lang po sa inyo…linggo ng wika ngayon kaya iiwas muna ako sa pagsusulat ng inglis.

sa ganang akin “misslost”, di lang siguro natin nauunawaan ang bawat isa sa atin…siyanga pala…ako ay isang kristiyano na Pilipino. magkaiba man ang ating paraan sa pananampalataya, pero tayo ay may malaking pagkakatulad sa ating ugali at kultura. Unang-una, may pag-galang tayo sa mga nakakatanda sa atin…pangalawa,mahalaga sa atin ang mga kaugalian ng ating pamilya-depende po kung ano ang nakasanayan ng bawat angkan…lahat tayo ay pwedeng kumain ng kamay lamang ang gamit…mas gusto natin ang salo-salong kainan…at palaging may kanin sa lamesa. Dito sa bansang kinaroroonan ko ngayon, ang mga Jamaican, Americano, Canadian…tinatawan nila kaming mga pinoy kapag nakikita nila kaming kumakain na gamit ang mga kamay…kasi nga daw madumi- di nila alam malinis talaga tayong mga Pilipino…yung pandesal nga hinuhugasan pa natin sa kape bago isubo. Silang ibang lahi, kapag nag-iinuman gusto nila sariling baso o kaya may sarili silang bote ng beer…tayong mga Pilipino tagay…isang baso lang ang gamit at may pulutan pa. Bumalik tayo doon sa sinabi ng iyong GURO, malupit siya…naging madamot siya sa iyong mga pangarap. At kung sa mga bahay-tuluyan, at ayaw ng mga may-ari na ipa-upa sa isang katulad mong muslim…baka naman may mga karanasan silang di maganda sa ibang muslim noon…sa aking tahanan sa Pasig, may kapit-bahay akong muslim-totoo po ito ha, hindi ito isang kwento lamang. nangungupahan siya at sila lamang ang nag-iisang pamilyang muslim doon sa lugar namin kasi nga ang compound (sensya na di ko alam ang tagalog) namin ay puro katoliko kasi donasyon ng simbahang katoliko ang mga bahay namin doon na pinasinayaan pa ni Pope John Paul II nung pumunta siya sa Pilipinas noong 1981. At yung pamilyang muslim na iyun ang nagiisang nangungupahan sa lugar namin, kasi nga yung may-ari na ninong ko pa ay nanirahan na po sa Amerika, yung ninong ko ay isang Leader ng samahan ni Mike Velarde sa Pasig na masasabi ko na isang mabuting kristiyano. Anim na taon na nangungupahan yung pamilyang muslim doon pero wala siyang naging problema lalo na sa aming mga kristiyano. May nasabi siya sa akin noon, may sarili silang bahay sa Pasig kaya lang binenta na nila kasi nga magulo daw sa lugar na yun at halos lahat ay puro muslim ang nakatira doon. Kaya sila umalis, kasi nga nauna ng pumanaw ang kanyang asawa dahil sa isang gulo na pinasukan ng kanyang esposo na kanyang kinamatay sa kanilang kapwa muslim. Sa takot din na madamay ang mga anak niya lumipat na lamang sila ng tirahan at binenta ang kanilang bahay. Sa ganang akin, ang muslim o kristiyano, maraming di pagkakaunawaan…marahil ang unang tagpo nila noong unang panahon ay tabak at sibat ang nagpakilala sa kanilang dalawa. Pero sana sa panahong ito, sa panahon natin, kailangan nating isantabi ang ating pananampalataya dahil magkaiba tayo doon, at simulan natin i-respeto na kailangan nating mabuhay at huminga sa iisang hangin, iisang lupa, at iisang tubig na ating ginagalawan basta marangal at sa mapayapang paraan na sakop ng saligang batas ng Pilipinas.

paging any historian or land registrar…meron po ba na bangsamoro sa mapa ng Pilipinas?

ginoong jcc, mabuti naman at nagkamali ng pagsisinungaling si zulueta. sa totoo lang, ang mga taong tulad ni zulueta at yung Hepe ng Pulisya ng Antipolo ang nakakapang-gigil ng laman. at sana naman ang hukom na humawak ng kaso nina Berja at Perez, ay isinama niya sa pagsulong ng kaso laban kay Zulueta at sa Hepe ng Pulisya. Walang saysay ang mga ganitong desisyon, kung sa darating na panahon ay may isa na namang tulad ni zulueta at Hepe ng Antipolo ang gagawa na naman ng kwento. At sana naisip ng Hukom na apat na taon ang nasayang sa mga buhay nina Berja at Perez…at yun ang dapat singilin sa sinungaling na si Zulueta at sa Hepe ng Antipolo.

sadyang napakahina ng hustisya sa atin…ang pagsasampa ng kaso laban kay zulueta at sa Hepe ng pulisya ay ibang kaso yun at panibagong proseso na naman ng paguusig sa kanila…ang dapat gawin ng DOJ ay sila ang umusig kay zulueta at sa Hepe…dahil sa kanilang pagsisinungaling ang tunay na salarin ay hindi nahuli at ang kawawang biktima ay hindi nakamit ang tunay na hustisya.

bakit napawalang sala sina Berja at Perez? dahil sa inconsistency di po ba…maliwanag na panglilito at pagsisinungaling laban sa Batas ng Pilipinas…ay nakuuu…yung abogadong tumulong kila Berja at Perez di na nilubos ang tulong 8) hahaha.

ano na po ba nangyari sa Hepe at kay zulueta?

nakakatakot pala kayo ginoong jcc…extortionist na abogado…sana di totoo ang bintang sa inyo. kunsabagay, madaming abogado na din ang ginipit dahil lamang sa pagtutuwid ng sistema.
siyanga pala, si tropical storm GUSTAV nasa Jamaica na ngayon, pinangangambahang maging category 3 hurricane paglabas ng jamaica…at masaklap pa nito madaming dalang tubig si GUSTAV at direct hit ang Cayman Islands…sana lumihis ulit at bumaba na lang papunta ulit sa united states hahaha

Alecks, you can delete the post. The shoutbox issue was made because somebody raise it there. I just responded. The post now was in response to nosi’s inquiry what i did to do something about the injustice to Berja, Perez and Barasona. I distinguish between running after the small fish and the big fish – and the small fish tends to get caught but not the big fish.

It seeks to highlight also that injustice is part of our judicial process it run across the board regardless of one’s faith and that was related to Misslost lamentationn that Muslims were subjected to injustice.

But as I said you can always delete a post you consider offensive. No big deal and no hurt feelings.

what exactly is this ancestral domain,they seem to claim the whole of mindanao as theirs (MILF) wtf,I thought all filipinos were once pagans,muslims and and lumads and most just converted to christianity.now the moros are treating us like aliens in our own country.lol.

Is this the same as the ancestral domain of the indians in the u.s.What do you think the americans will do if some indians establish a bje of their own and lay claim to half of the territory of the u.s.This moros are feeding us a cock of bull..ancestral domain my ass.I hope our politicians will issue a decree requiring all filipinos to serve in war or in the military just like what they do here in Israel,so ordinary citizens like me can give them a piece of our mind regarding ancestral domain in the form a lead with full metal jacket.