Palace retrieves postdated checks

kaya pala may press statement na si bunye about this ay naretrieved na check noong friday hahaha! galing talaga ni bunye sa moneyubra. paano kung hinde nabuking ng pcij di tuloy ang masasayang araw ni diaz. mabuti na lang meron pang kagaya ng dep ed official na di pumayag sa abnormal na transaction na ito. sabagay di ba sabi ni gordon transactional president si arroyo? lahat dinadaan sa lagay. ang hirap ng tanggapin ang ganitong sitwasyon. baka masanay na tayo sa ganitong uri ng pamumuno ni arroyo pati taong bayan magaya sa kanya. nakakatakot na pangitain. pilipinas pinamumugaran ng mga corrupt(matagal na). katoliko pa naman karamihan sa atin. nakakahiya! sana huwag mangyari ito kawawa naman next generations. sana habang maaga pa, OUST ARROYO NA!! PLS LANG!!!

haiiii. eto na naman ho tayo. pag na supalpal sa isang piece of investigative journalism si IDOL eh, ang piece of investigative journalism na nakasupalpal kay IDOL ay sinisiraan na naman.

at eto na naman po tayo, kailangan daw ang source ng investigative journalism ay credible and ” source is credible and not involved in anomalies themselves.”

haiii. buhay. life. vida.

Ano phval, supalpal ka ni Ma’am Yvonne? Hilig mo kasing magcomment ng alanganin tapos may lakas ka pa ng loob na magsabi about credibility. Kung magaakusa ka about Luz’s brothers kelangan panindigan mo hindi yung haka-haka lang. Wag kang mang-go-GLORIA!

Yun taong mahilig magkomento wala namang basehan eh nanggaling yun sa angkan ni BUNYE. Di ba PHVAL BUNYE? HEHEHEHE

I wonder if Secretary Bunye (sounds like Bun-i) can sleep soundly at night when all his statement are all lies…

Just imagine, truth and moral sense (according to him) enlightened the majority of lawmakers in thrashing the comlaint?? There is no better proof of this lie than the recent SWS survey- that majority of the Filipinos wants Arroyo to be impeached or resign.

Family ties especially among brothers are quite strong especially for Filipinos and to say that the two don’t fight each others causes would be the exception rather than the rule. To assume otherwise would be simplistic if not naive. That’s why the very best of friends call each other “bro.”

It’s like saying that for sure President Bush’s brother John Ellis Bush, the governor of Florida had absolutely nothing to do with the alleged anomalous crucial win of Bush in Florida which eventually won him the U.S. presidency. Brothers don’t fight each other’s causes? Doubt it!

As they say, where there’s smoke there’s fire. Refuting corruption allegations by saying that it’s simply a smear campaign of losing suppliers is an old and “gasgas na” excuse. Try to make an in depth investigation into this as the DepEd’s budget runs into the billions. Luz will surely corraborate anything that would make GMA appear bad. Insiders and winning suppliers who have no axe to grind do say that Luz is really on the take. He may not be a reliable source of information for responsible journalists, that’s for sure.

lets all unite and remove GMA,sana sumali tayo sa peoples power
thats the only way to remove GMA and his cabal`s of liers,cheaters and robbers,walang puwang sa puso ng matinong filipino yang grupo ni GMA.
salamat po

PHVal :

Why is that if an article is againts GMA you always find a way to discredit it? Your even accusing LUz of being corrupt because of complains for certain suppliers. Why then are you defending GMA, more people are acusing her of corruption, right? I cannot comprehend ? No wonder our country is like this, beacuse people like PHVAL have selective morality like the BISHOPS!!

ooppppsss… my mistake… i just realized that i just made a combo of the PSF and CDF, which are both ‘pork’ funds, by calling it PDF when i am actually referring to the PSF that is what is the issue. my apologies to anyone who got confused, especially to PHVal. just want to pre-empt his comment to my mistake. just like what his IDOL sec bunye would have done, if he was my press sec. :)))

what can i say?

phval et al (http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=324) are exceptions to a lot of bloggers here who not only loathe GMA but also her cohorts. exceptions just like cain and abel, oasis’ gallagher brothers, and two of my uncles; epitomizing what psychologists consider as sibling rivalry. not all brothers are alike: in looks, in mind, and certainly in deed.

what i can perceive is that malacañang boys are “micro-managing” each good and bad report. as to the negative news, they deal with them point-by-point; discrediting sources and even the writer himself/herself. just what rigoberto d. tiglao did on the latest sws survey (http://news.inq7.net/opinion/index.php?index=2&story_id=49934&col=75).

what i can say? they are at it again. working double time (or better “with redoubled effort,” borrowing GMA’s term) righting the wrong as they have managed, in real-time, wronging the right.

undersecretaries are presidential appointees.

usec. luz’s statements, if he is indeed just supporting his brother’s cause, is suicidal.

MY CORRECTION, THOUGH SAID CHECK WAS NOT SIGNED BY MS. ARROYO, WHAT MATTER IS THAT IT CAME FROM HER SOCIAL FUND AND THAT IT WAS ISSUED FOR ANTONIO DIAZ IN EXHANGE FOR THE WITHDRAWAL OF HIS SIGNATURE ON THE AMENDED IMPEACHMENT COMPLAINT.

first of all, i would like to say that I respect everybody’s opinions here. I strongly suggest that we keep it at that, express our opinions and not throw personal attacks at other people. there is already a lot of that going around. personally, i would like to see the rule of law being upheld in our country. the judicial process taking its place. if we have evidence that Diaz has been bribed then these should be presented to the proper authorities. i think neither precedence nor these things happening in sequence is enough proof. it is easy to be to be swayed by our emotions as we have seen in recent years. it is high time to let the rule of law fulfill its promise however tedious and prolonged the struggle may be.

sinisi ba naman oposisyon. ito laging palusot ni arroyo sa mga kapalpakan nila ng mga alipores nya laging sinisisi oposisyon.madam president kailan mo naman kaya nya sisisihen sarile mo ha?

hulseye-

You’ve got to be a relative of Mrs. Arroyo? – son, husband or cousin perhaps??
How about a “loyal” employee or political “hack”?

Try reading your own dribble and you’ll see the foolishness.

Let’s see, your theories are:

1) If someone is in power let them keep it – no matter what.
What crime or malfeasance would cause you to draw the
line for heaven’s sake?? It is brilliant though, Richard Nixon would
have loved it!

2) It doesn’t matter how corrupt a politician is – as long as no
one finds out (Oh, those darn Garci tapes!). Laughable.

You should be ashamed of yourself for thinking any freedom-loving
Filipino would listen any of this.

Your theory of settling for dishonesty, corruption, lying,
cheating, bribes, and payoffs doesn’t wash with me. Encouraging
people to throw in the towel and give up sounds like you’re a part
of the President’s team! Nice try!

if hulseye wants GMA to stay in power, i wonder how hulseye can digest this cheating, lying, corruption, bribes and payoffs?

Let me add to baycas’s list: RAM-SFP Marine Sgt. Roger Salvador who was killed by his brother on the government side, Corp. Robert Salvador during the Dec. 1989, coup. Also Dr. Edberto Villegas, a true to form Marxist, as opposed to his brother, the doyen of capitalism, Bernardo Villegas. Also the Defensor siblings: Miriam and Benjamin, they were on the opposite sides of the fence during Erap’s ouster. Also the Jinggoy and the JV Ejercito rivalry.

PHVAl’s assumption that sibling disagreements being an exception than a rule in Philippine society goes beyond the ridiculous and into the sphere of inces…never mind, better keep my ad hominems in check.

Hulseye, i think you have to establish first if GMA is the elected one before telling us to submit to her governance. Di mo ba na-gets na kaya nagkakagulo dito sa atin ay dahil sa mga paniniwala ng nakakarami na di sya ang tunay na nanalo nung election? Sino ba ang me gusto ng gulo? Kung sa iyo, ok lang ang huwad at mapagpanggap na presidente, sa akin at ng pamilya ko ay di sya ubra. Mas makaka-move on naman tayo kung bumaba si GMA at magkaroon ng election uli. That way, at least me proseso at kung magkamali uli tayo sa pagkuha ng ipapalit sa kanya, at least alam mo na na di tayo natuto. I’d rather make mistakes again and learn from it than let GMA rule at patuloy kang magpapaloko ng walang kalaban laban. Mas gago naman tignan ata yun.

vcc said,
September 13, 2005 @ 12:46 pm

Para lahat ng nabasa kong comment ay galing sa pina ka righteous na mga tao.

Kawawa naman ang beneficiary ng scholarship. Puro na lang tayo puna. Meron ba sa inyo na makakapagbigay ng pera para sa scholarship? Di ba puro lang kayo bla bla?

Palagay nyo ba nakakatulong kayo sa ibang tao sa pamamagitan ng walang humpas na pagtuligsa sa gobyerno.

Sana kung wala din lang tayong magagawa tumahimik na lang kayo maybe this will make things better.

Para sa mga nag sasubmit ng comment dito, ibes na mag trabaho kayo ( employees) inuubos niyo ang oras niyo sa para gumawa ng irresponsableng comments. Magtrabaho na lang kayo para umasenso kayo. Para sa mga students, imbes na pintas ng pintas sa gobyerno. Aral kaya ng aral ang atupagin ninyo para gumanda ang kinabukasan ninyo. Para sa walang trabaho, maghanap kayo ng trabaho para umasenso, huwag ubusin ang oras ng ka- co-comment against the government.

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Well they have the freedom to express their opinion, but your right imbes na magsayang ng oras sa harap ng computer eh magtrabaho na nga lang. Tapos yung mga walang trabaho, yeah i agree with you imbes na pumunta sa kalsada eh maghanap nalang ng trabaho wag ng asahan ang gobyerno. Kaya nagkakandahirap lalo sila eh, lahat inaasa sa gobyerno. Nasa sarili natin pagsisikap ang ikakaunlad ng buhay natin at wala sa gobyerno.

hulseye, the constitution is very clear, if GMA will resign on her post or ousted, the vice-president will become the next president.

kavenishi, you’re statements contradicts to what you were doing right now…
if you’re an employee, you should work.. if you’re a student, you should study.. if don’t you have any job then find one… then anong ginagawa mo dito?

oops sorry kavenishi, i’m referring to vcc

hulseye: The point of all these is we are all being used by the opposition for their own agenda…

pazogie: Okay ako diyan kung aaminin ni hulseye na pati siya ay ginagamit ng oposisyon para sa kanilang agenda. Bakit kaya nasa kanan siya ni GMA? Ginagamit din kasi ng oposisyon si GMA, e, ano po? Malabo, po, di po ba?

hulseye: What I am trying to say is who will replace her? …I’m not saying GMA is all saint but what I;m saying let us help her make a better philippines not only for the govt but for us as a people.

pazogie: Can’t seem to make up your mind, eh, hulseye? You have my sympathy. Ours is a confusing state of affairs. Who is next in line confuses us, more so if only we are just tuned in to our trapos wavelengths. Let’s try our best to get thru this chaotic state and not to add more to the confusion. I understand that you want these, right?

Let us not boxed in ourselves into the traditional ways of the trapos – limiting our choices ONLY among them! Bah! Nor to the “recently added
tradition” of EDSA, or the constitutional succession proviso as only other alternatives. That is not your way, is it?

“I’m saying let us help her make a better philippines not only for the govt but for us as a people.” Okay, I hear you, hulseye. But let me ask, “Isn’t the opposition helping make a better Philippines for us all? What do you think is the role of the opposition? You know, you would make a good opposition in the opposition camp.:) Truly!

hulseye, I am not saying [to borrow your favorite expression] the opposition is right [you would not want me to say that if you were opposing in the opposition camp, would you? hehe], even as the people convey an appreciated agreement in several surveys. What I am saying [there you go again!:)] is let us see also how we can help not only GMA but also the opposition in their quest for governance [not, oh, my God! Target specifically only GMA!] to be right for all of us so we, together, may overcome this political crisis and surge forward.

hulseye: ..[but] to call for GMA’s ouster is too much.

pazogie: I don’t know what really is too much. All I know is IF it is the only way we can stop this maddening political crisis and escalating high prices, by all means we must ease her out. “Ease” is in your taste, isn’t it?

tinapayboy said: first of all, i would like to say that I respect everybody’s opinions here. I strongly suggest that we keep it at that, express our opinions and not throw personal attacks at other people. there is already a lot of that going around. personally, i would like to see the rule of law being upheld in our country. the judicial process taking its place.

pazogie: I like this take. I am for it. The Rule of Law, ah, yes, it must be respected and practiced, EVEN in this forum. I mean the ETHICAL SHARING LAWS wherein all may be free to interact with ease and confidence; without fear of being bashed or demeaned [para walang mapikon, maging masaya ang atmosphere lagi, focused at conducive to intellectual exchange]; just like good friends whose aim is the country, never the opposition or GMA, conversing over a cup of coffee. But , being a new acquaintance and therefore very innocent [and ignorant, hehe] about people here, I don’t know if I have the right to say that, and more so expect a favorable agreement from this forum.

What they (GMA and her cohorts and lackeys and toadies) are showing all along is they think we Filipinos are all so stoopid they can get away with all their unadulterated thievery, lying and now murder ng impeachment bills sa Congress…Napakababa ng tingin nila sa tao…She has been showing that all along even before the elections, when she gave away millions of pesos for this and that project when obvious naman it was to win votes….she has remained on this track… Walang mangyayari sa tin hanggang anjan pa rin siya kasi she has no vision for the country, no sensitivity and caring for the plight of the common tao…. sanay na sanay siya sa estado niya dati na princesita ng macapagal family…. how can she be the leader that we need at this point? HAY, kagigil!!!

whoever you are – phval – second comments

anong credibility pnagsasabi mo, matalino ka ba? sayang naman at nagbobobohan ka…please lang kung wala kang magawa at gusto mo lang i-express ang walang kwenta mong ideas o opinions matulog k na lang…credibility? e si chavit ba credible, pero ang daming naniniwala at second gentleman pa sya ngayon…

kahit anong source or kung kaninong source nanggalin ang importante totoo at verified…d na kwestyon yan credibility mo…sadsad na issue n yan…kaya yung iba nattakot maglabas ng info dahil s katulad mong tanong ng tanong ng credibility…tumahimik k na lang at d ka importante at d ka din naman makakatulong for sure…

ora, sino?

hi pazogie, I’m not for GMA actually but for a moratorium on protest actions and for people to actually stop blaming the gov’t for their misgivings and start helping in their own little way of making living in the philippines a less streesful life. Why did I say that the opposition is just using us? thats because they usingl the media blitz,spin doctors and even the useless congressional hearings to propagate hatred towards the president and thus hopefully that would lead to street protest and eventual people power. You just have to see the big picture here. When the opposition made their first punch, naturally made their counter punch which led to several punches and now the gov’t is so busy counter punching that no work has been done. The international community , investors, etc. are just in the sidelines watching the whole bout instead of investing here. The stock market suffers, the peso devaluates, gas prices soars and unemplyment increases. Why would we blame GMA for that, when the oppostion threw the first punch that led us to where we are right now. Let us shout GMA resign and now she resigns , what now who,s going to lead us ? Rez Cortez or Nino Muhlach, thats the reason I’m tired of hearing Gloria resign when you don’t have any alternate leader who will fill the presidency. Let us stop the bickering, whining ,street protest and congressional hearings(except for passing laws that would help build a better Philippines) and move on with our lives. Anyway lawmakers attends those hearings just for the free breakfast, lunch and dinner which are buffet style and of coarse for the grandstanding opportunities and some bribe money going their way when they vote. They don’t care about the welfare of the people, what they care about is only about what they will get in return for their vote. Who’s left holding the bag? Us! What I prefer to see if people helping one another go through this crisis, everybody be a capitalist and invest their savings in a business and create jobs for the others. Instead of going to rallies, we attend seminars on how to put up a business and thus create employment opportunites for those millions of unemployed. Do you think if we are so busy creating jobs and capital for our own benefit those opposition would be raising their voices in the halls of congress? no becuase everybody is so busy doing their own thing and nobodys going to watch them grandstand in the neatly pressed suits. Should we turn a blind eye on the corruption and lies? No there are courts and laws that we can turn to. If that doesn’t work like what happened in the justice committee, then pray. The opposition didn’t get the numbers, they didn’t do their homework now they want us to go to the streets, Dadalhin namin ang laban sa kalye, while reaping their papers and throwing it up in the air(typical grandstanding)Where’s the reasoning there, will it build a better philippines? No will it build stability and progress? No Will it build goodwill and be beneficial to others? No!PCIJ is a great forum to air grievances and they really do their homework, they have shown the corrupt practices and lies being peddled to us but they also have to look on the side of the opposition like the peace bonds that were received by a certain NGO headed by several of those cabinet members who resigned. Did they investigated that ? well I guess they are still collating evidences regarding that matter and hopefully they will write another story about that. Be careful what you wish for , you just might get it! and the next time that we meet in this forum you will be shouting Nino resign! So there you go guys I do hope nobody gets mad at me here, I’m just stating my view on the matter and its practically a wag the dog thing and we were all suckered in this this whole theatrical scenerio of Gloria Resign.

Their colors are beginning to show. Told you, if you’re not anti-GMA, expect to receive insults.

The silent majority want peace and harmony and not false accusations which would only benefit people who ripped us dry in the past. If only the accusers have good deeds to boast (they were once in power), then they wouldn’t be a minority wouldn’t they. Ask yourself if you want to go back to the martial law days (Tatad’s / Marcos’ time) and those long brownouts days (Cory’s legacy), then probably you’d understand why the silent majority prefer the status quo.

We are still hopeful that the minority take the backseat, let the majority work on the reforms, then we judge them come election time. It’s time to stop all this chismis politics.

Is Bunye a family man with children? I wonder how he explains what he is doing to his children. Looks like Bunye can sleep, but I wonder if his children are able to sleep.

precisely bensgr8, the next time that we will see in their banners are :

Nino-US pasista

o kaya

Cortez tuta ng kano

o di kaya

Ariel Urreta resign!

hey hulseye, bensgr8, kahit magtulong -tulong pa kyo maghakaka at manglito ng mga halfbaked theories ninyo para sa ikakapanatag ng dibdib ni ma’am gloria nyo… wala yan tatahimik din kayo pag natira kayo sa mga mala-hangin sa tiyan ninyong paniniwala.

ayos ba?

Hindi kami nagtutulong ni bensgr8, sinang ayunan ko lang yung sinabi niyang pag di ka anti gloria makareceive ka ng insults katulad ng ginagawa mo, which i also respect. Nalala ko lang nung unang people power , bagong alis pa lang sina marcos at yung mga loyalist naman niya ang nag rarally, tapos may isang vendor na nagtitinda sa kalye and it so happen na nakasuot siya ng yellow na may cory at duon dumaan sa harap niya yung rallyista, ayun binugbog at namatay. Mob rule kasi walang batas walang rason pag iyon ang umiral. Walang sinasanto bugbugan at patayan kaagad. Di na makikinig sa rason ang isang mob, it has no face and brain. at di ako maka gloria at di rin ako anti as I’ve written previously. I apologize for the errors on my previous post tuloy tuloy kasi itong sulat ko at nagmamadali ako. Makapagpalit nga ng tshirt yung FPJ for president baka kasi madaanan niyo ako sa kanto at mabugbog pa ako , peace man .

Some observations. Arguments of Gloria loyalists here only revolved 2 things : doing rallies is not good for the economy, eventhough we all know that we have been lagging behind our Asian neighbors way before these anti gloria rallies happened. All rallyists are either leftists, bayarans or ma showbiz.

Hay naku. Pwede ba, lets just face the truth. Kaya may rallies eh DAHIL NANG DAYA SI GLORIA AT PATULOY NYANG UUBUSIN ANG KABAN NG BAYAN KUNG TATANGA NA LANG TAYONG MGA PILIPINO. GLORIA IS AN ILLEGITIMATE AND BOGUS PRESIDENT. Eat that!

men0k,
well said… Your questions don’t need answers, cause the answers are obvious already, if we only use our common sense and be observant.

if our politicians are really serving our country… would they give everything they have to their country like a servant to their master?

“The last samurai”

I am wondering why Noli De Castro’s name is not mentioned in any Gloria resign call. He is the legal successor in the event that Gloria will be ousted right? So why is it he is left out in the cold? Is is because those calling for Gloria to resign want to be in Malacanang? Ayyy ang pinoy talaga. If they really want gloria to resign, then be prepared for Noli to become president. Other than that would lead to a civil war, which may be good for the country in the long term but bad in the short term.

sa tagal tagal na ng issue na ito e meron pa rin gumagamit ng rez cortez threat. naman. konting pino naman ng pag-iisip. do not equate the demand for gloria to fess up to her crimes as a vote for rez cortez as president. that’s just plain misleading; a muddling of the issues, if you will.

at hwag niyong sabihin na walang kapalit dahil meron. he was chosen by gloria herself.

plus ano nang nangyari sa supposedly matinong anak ni gma na si luli? nasilaw na rin ba sya ng kapangyarihan at ng pangungurakot ng tatay niya. si dato nagpapapakita pa sa game ng ateneo at feu nung linggo. mga halang ang bituka! walang mga hiya!

obviously those who were able to post their messages between 1PM to 5 Pm is either a bum or someone pretending to be working.

Kaya nga hindi ako maka- log between these hours is that I respect the company I work for, and i give them what is due, maybe more.

Siguro ang pagbabago dapat manggaling sa atin. To the engineer who left the country, if you have such strong convictions about this country why did you leave and suddenly you would throw these accusations based sa nakukuha mong mga feeds ay sa CNN, siyempre kailangan kumita ng mga iyan kaya sensationalized.

You are very lucky, ala ka na sa Pilipinas. Pag nagkagulo dito , what is it to you? I would assume stable ka na diyan and having the time of your life with your children. Paano naman kami naiwan dito? if this will go on for ever.

Do you suggest we also go there?

Sa mga studyante diyan, ala mangyayari sa atin kung lahat tayo nag mamarunong. Kailangan ninyong mag aral mabuti and maybe you could follow the footsteps of mr engineer. Kayo na ang kinabukasan ng bayan, you may want to practice what you are preaching right now when its your time.

Sana wag mangyari na mamatay ang idealism ninyo kaya lang dapat mag aral muna kayong mabuti para magkaroon siguro kayo ng positon sa gobyerno later on. At pag nandoon na kayo, then you could be as honest as you want to be. To be as straight as you want to be.

going to the streets won’t do you any good. Unang una you are missing your lessons. Nagiging hilaw ang education. Sayang ang panahon. sayang and talino. Sayang dahil hindi mo ma reach ang iyong potential dahil ang iniisip mo ay batikusin ang gobyerno at mag rally.

Sa mga nagtratrabaho diyan na puro pulitka ang iniisip, as a sense of honesty, please give to your employer what is due them don’t log in and make your analysis and your insinuations during working hours.

How do make a difference in this country? Is it by going to rallies? Is it by commenting on this types of articles, which I believe is capitalizing on the intrigues?

Paano mo tutulungan ang mahihirap?

Maski di ka economics major pag tumaas ang presyo ng langgis sa ibang bansa tataas din dito. Di ba? Ikaw ano ang gingagaw mo? Sagot ba diyan and transport strike? Offer solutions. not problems.

LET US MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY FINDING SOLUTIONS NOT CREATING MORE PROBLEMS>

Sa mg kalalakihan diyan kung tunay kang lalaki, wasn’t there a time in your life that you cheated? COMMON BE HONEST>>>>

iam sure pag nasa u.n na yang gloria na yan magyayabang na naman yan as if akala mo may ibubuga, ipagmamalaki nyan na binasura ang impeachment dahil walang basehan… ang di nila alam ay nagpamudmod ang ulo na yan ng pera ng bayan!!!talagang kapal naman mga arroyos yang si luli wala yan nalamon na rin ng sistema feeling beautiful na nga e!!!

hulseye: hi pazogie, I’m not for GMA actually but for a moratorium on protest actions and for people to actually stop blaming the gov’t for their misgivings and start helping in their own little way of making living in the philippines a less streesful life.
pazogie: Hi hulseye! Helping comes in many ways and forms.
I am sorry, but I see everybody is helping in their own little way, whether liked or not.

hulseye: Why did I say that the opposition is just using us? thats because they usingl the media blitz,spin doctors and even the useless congressional hearings to propagate hatred towards the president and thus hopefully that would lead to street protest and eventual people power.
pazogie: Using us for what? When they stopped the rallies and went for what GMA and company prescribed – the impeachment, where we being used? How? The rallies then didn’t go as far as your fears, did it?

hulseye: You just have to see the big picture here. When the opposition made their first punch, naturally made their counter punch which led to several punches and now the gov’t is so busy counter punching that no work has been done. The international community , investors, etc. are just in the sidelines watching the whole bout instead of investing here. The stock market suffers, the peso devaluates, gas prices soars and unemplyment increases. Why would we blame GMA for that, when the oppostion threw the first punch that led us to where we are right now.
pazogie: Who’s in command of the situation? Who is charged with the responsibility of overseeing all affairs in RP, including those of the minority? Why wasn’t safeguards made so the ill effects would have been minimized or outright prevented from happening? Certainly, not the opposition. So, if the status quo is disturbed by anyone such as the opposition, and things go out of hand, who is to blame? When Katrina struck mainland USA, who got the blame? The FEMA boss Mike Brown got his walking papers! Why? He wasn’t in control of the situation. He was merely in command and producing not enough to control the impact and damage! Now isn’t GMA in command or in de-control?

hulseye: Let us shout GMA resign and now she resigns , what now who,s going to lead us ? Rez Cortez or Nino Muhlach, thats the reason I’m tired of hearing Gloria resign when you don’t have any alternate leader who will fill the presidency.
pazogie: Out of 84M Filipinos and no one is a better alternative to Nino and Rez? I hope we all can be realistic, reasonable and a little scholarly when it comes to making choices.

hulseye: Let us stop the bickering, whining ,street protest and congressional hearings(except for passing laws that would help build a better Philippines) and move on with our lives.
pazogie: If you can give me a good reason then I will advocate your ideas. As of today I have not yet received a good reason from you.

hulseye: Anyway lawmakers attend those hearings just for the free breakfast, lunch and dinner which are buffet style and of coarse for the grandstanding opportunities and some bribe money going their way when they vote.
pazogie: These are not reasons at all. Sorry.

hulseye: They don’t care about the welfare of the people, what they care about is only about what they will get in return for their vote.
pazogie: So if they start caring for the welfare of the people and getting the same returns for their votes, you would not protest the accompanying rallies of the minority opposition?

hulseye: Who’s left holding the bag? Us!
pazogie: You can say the same thing about GMA and her majority’s past and current moves.

hulseye: What I prefer to see is [1] people helping one another go through this crisis, [2] everybody be a capitalist and invest their savings in a business and create jobs for the others.
pazogie: I believe it is among what the opposition is desiring, except for those who does not believe in capitalism and tight rightism.

hulseye Instead of going to rallies, we attend seminars on how to put up a business and thus create employment opportunites for those millions of unemployed.
pazogie: If these ideas are so terrific, why isn’t GMA and Co doing it? I suppose if they did, the people would go to the streets to hail her instead of demanding for her ouster. Or, did she try them already and they miserably failed?

hulseye: Do you think if we are so busy creating jobs and capital for our own benefit those opposition would be raising their voices in the halls of congress? no becuase everybody is so busy doing their own thing and nobodys going to watch them grandstand in the neatly pressed suits.
pazogie: Quite very elementary, no? How do we make GMA adopt your ideas? If she did, fours years ago, would these people be rallying?

hulseye: Should we turn a blind eye on the corruption and lies? No there are courts and laws that we can turn to. If that doesn’t work like what happened in the justice committee, then pray.
pazogie: Pray? Oh, boy, please, this is supposed to be a scholarly discussion. No offense meant, only a statement of fact. The bishops could not even keep their mouths shut! Prayer should come as a last resort when all human alternative acts have failed.

hulseye: The opposition didn’t get the numbers, they didn’t do their homework now they want us to go to the streets, Dadalhin namin ang laban sa kalye, while reaping their papers and throwing it up in the air(typical grandstanding) Where’s the reasoning there, will it build a better philippines? No will it build stability and progress? No Will it build goodwill and be beneficial to others? No!
pazogie: You seemed to know all the answers, but not quite all, no? These people were on the streets when they were asked to stop and agree to the more peaceful and quieter process – the impeachment. Well, the meekly acceded but there was no impeachment process! So they are back to the streets again, doing what is constitutionally allowed to seek justice denied by congress, doing what they were doing before they were interrupted by impeachment calls from the GMA camp, and from people like you, I suppose.

hulseye: PCIJ is a great forum to air grievances and they really do their homework, they have shown the corrupt practices and lies being peddled to us but they also have to look on the side of the opposition like the peace bonds that were received by a certain NGO headed by several of those cabinet members who resigned. Did they investigated that ? well I guess they are still collating evidences regarding that matter and hopefully they will write another story about that.
pazogie: I think you know about what a great forum is all about. I think you know what PCIJ and “great” means. At PCIJ “great” means looking at both sides and treating them with utmost respect and equality. That’s what I have observed. I wonder if that is your definition of a “great PCIJ?”

hulseye: Be careful what you wish for , you just might get it! and the next time that we meet in this forum you will be shouting Nino resign!
pazogie: There has to be a mistake here. Who is rooting for Nino to be president?

hulseye: So there you go guys I do hope nobody gets mad at me here, I’m just stating my view on the matter and its practically a wag the dog thing and we were all suckered in this this whole theatrical scenerio of Gloria Resign.
pazogie: How can I get mad at you who is just being honest and sincere with her/himself even if I don’t agree with most of your sentiments and reasons.:) WE WERE ALL SUCKERED into what? If you mean into going to the constitutional process of removing a president and getting justice in the process, I dare say, that it is not bad. Not bad at all.

No one wants to be called a sucker, even if it does not make him mad, don’t you think so? I don’t think the majority here in this forum, people who can read and write well, communicate with excellent articulation and clarity, and reason with sound logic, is going to be suckered into any of the unreasonable and unjustified ploys of the opposition or by GMA and her majority.:) OR, suckered into believing any of your passionate arguments? hahaha…just kidding…Cheers and God bless!

Noelet, you may have not even been an embryo during the martial law days so I don’t expect you to understand that part of our history. What about the brownouts, still not born during those dark, hot, and unproductive days?

Baka naman you belong to the Marcos crony families who enjoyed life when everyone of us had their balls on their throats just by site of military men. Aminin mo na that you and your family would benefit with the return of the old cronies and/or their younger children. Don’t reverse things.

By the way, my not being anti-GMA should not be interpreted as pro-GMA. I am anti-Tatad, anti-Marcos, anti-Erap, and anti-crony (nila marcos). Review your history so you’ll know who these families are.

Anak: Tatay,Nanay diba mali ang mag-CHEAT, MAGNAKAW at MAG-SINUNGALING
Tatay: Oo naman anak. Bakit?

Anak: Bakit si Gloria? Pwede din ba akong mag-CHEAT sa school tapos sabihin ko “lapse in judgement”?

Nanay: Put??? ng GLORIA yan tinuruan pa ang anak mo ng style.

Elementary pa lang ako tinuruan na ako ng mga titser ko ng “no cheating” dahil ang mahuli BABAGSAK.
High School sabi ng titser ko “no cheating” ang mahuli BABAGSAK!
College ganun din “no cheating” ang mahuli KICK OUT!

Alam nyo ba nakakalusot ang ibang cheater kasi may pera si pang-donate sa school at malakas sila sa administrator ng school dahil may binibigay sila.

Pambihirang GLORIA toh ang lakas kasi ang daming pambigay, inuubos talaga ang kaban ng bayan amp.

i agree with your story arnold. i was about to say about how we are taught not to cheat and lie in school from grade 1 to college and the consequences of doing that… and still some of us have to defend the acts of gma… what happened to those values?

jr_lad and arnold, hello…

all of us are taught but not all of us learn.

shall we listen to those who learned or those who didn’t?

in this political crisis to whom must we lend our ears? Do we know the knowing from the unknowing?

btw, have we learned everything in school? were we presented with this crisis in school and taught how to solve it?

THE CRISIS IS for ALL -the schooled and unschooled, for the intelligent and not so intelligent, the high performers and the low performers. for all walks of life – TO RESOLVE. if so, why leave the resolution to the representatives, who did not even consult their constituents? did these congressmen make an official survey among their constituents?

must we leave the resolution only to the opposition in the streets?

if going to the streets is unacceptable, then let’s find a better way to resolve this crisis. i hope our discussions here can help the Pinoys see one soon.

frankly, with what has happened to the allegations of betrayal of public trust against GMA in congress and, sad to say, before our moral guardians, the Church, there appears to be no better way than going into the streets. the supreme court is no help either. it can’t decide on a political question using its legal processes. should the unthinkable be made by the supreme court, that is, nullifying the decision of the house justice committee on its rejection of all three complaints, then the pro-GMA forces in congress will again dominate to reject another attempt to impeach based on any of the complaints or even a consolidated one.

let’s all think our next move with prudence gals and guys. there is still enough time. there is always enough time for coming up with the right answer for this kind of crisis.

my wife paz hints, how about exploiting the theory of a weaker GMA, growing weaker as the months and years pass, due to the fact that every smart, exploitative, and influential group – house members [who never had it so good!], Church, political parties, ex-presidents [trade offs], NGOs, etc, – is now able to hold a Damocles’s sword over her head?

how can GMA govern with everyone, except the people, holding swords that will surely cut her head off if she refuses their requests to satisfy personal interests?

how can she say no to the house majority’s request for more doleouts? how can she refuse the bishops when they ask her not to approve the divorce or family planning bills, or any bills contrary to its doctrines? how can she refuse the military if more intelligence funds are requested? how can she refuse the USA if she is told to continue treating the CCP and NPAs as terrorists? how can she close the doors of globalization into our RP if she is told to open them by her creditors? how can she refuse the mining invester when they demand the she rids Samar island of NPAs? how can she refuse FVR’s designs for his comeback? how can…

mull and reflect. have fun indulging in probable resolutions, folks.

have a nice day all.

pazogie,
you said it all bro. well said and very understandable. at least you are open minded and looking on all perspective of this problem. hindi lang one sided, rally lang ang alam na solution. if we really think, we can find a better solution on this problem. wag tayong magpabigla-bigla ng aksyon. this problem never thought in school… is a complicated one. I believe also we have all the time in this world to find solution if we only widen our horizon and perspective. if we only accept others suggestions and study them. let beat her through submission maybe, that’s a nice idea, but we must plan it carefully and properly. ang nangyayari kasi sa mga rally ngayon, bugso lang ng damdamin eh, walang proper plan kaya nahihirapan magtagumpay. we need to sit down first, talk with each other, suggest better and long lasting solution and plan properly (plan A, B, C,…). It may takes time but the result will worth fighting for.
PGMA has already gained her power & strength again. Lets regrouped first, get some energy and momentum and surprise her with a big bang one day. Kasi kung makikipagmatigasan tayo ngayon sa kanya sa kalsada, siguradong talo tayo. she has all the resources she needs. How about us, we have family to feed everyday, we have to work everyday for our family to survive. we know already rally don’t just last for a day or two, it may takes weeks or months. Can our family survive those long battle?

NO bernie & bruce_tawilis! as you can see mga around 3-5 people lang kayo dito sa site nag a agree dyan sa sinasabi nyo sorry na lang. kasama kayo sa natitirang 11% sa survey.

ok.. all suggestions taken.

one suggestion was, as suggested by bernie la plante, go on with our lives and continue…

we continue while we have congressmen weaving their magic in the house… it was very clear, they crushed the impeachment because of technicality?.. then why did they not suggest of going around the technicality?… OPEN YOUR EYES GUYS!… The Lozano complain was filed hurriedly, hence therefore very weak… hence again, was crushed easily… pababayaan natin na ginaganon tayo?… and just get on with our lives?…

really, with this kind of attitude kaya ganito Pilipinas ngaun… Please I would adhere to any suggestion but to take these things as they are and continue with my life?… C’mon… I won’t make myself belong to the Filipinos na naloloko ng mga taong akala eh napapaikot nila s kanilang kamay ang mga pilipino…

again, don’t misconstrue my postings here as pro-whoever because I am not… I just want to be heard now and make my point clear that people are getting more involved now.. dati cguro pwede pang take things sitting down.. kaya nga cguro tayo lumala eh.. because nasanay tayong to take things as they are kc walang alternative, so on and so forth…

Ok, cge il take things as they are now and continue withmy life.. then what comes next?…

men0k said,

Ok, cge il take things as they are now and continue withmy life.. then what comes next?…

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what comes next? you will be a year older after one year….
menok, biro lang ha….
Pero tinandaan ko na ang mga congressman na pumatay sa impeachment, gagantihan ko sila next election. Ngayon kapag nanalo pa rin sila, nandaya na naman sila…

Bernie La Plante? Are you a sociologist? A psychologist, perhaps?

Or just an Aga Muhlach-wannabe losing its cool to traffic-ridden rallys? So do not politicize your unwarranted semi-private whimsical wish-ko-lang conclusions.

No you’re not Aga Muhlach! And NO! you do not know the issues.

The only facts, maybe, is that your from Fairview and you pass by the rally… just ONE time… not all the time.

And the facts is you hate it and you didn’t even care to hear and listen whatever they say. Just the annoyance its cause your ride.

If I say your wife is so ugly and mean… you’ll say its because I don’t know your wife personally.

You should speak of your true feelings and you’re true color. As Panfilo Lacson said yesterday, do not politicize what you see.

gagay said,
September 14, 2005 @ 3:40 pm

NO bernie & bruce_tawilis! as you can see mga around 3-5 people lang kayo dito sa site nag a agree dyan sa sinasabi nyo sorry na lang. kasama kayo sa natitirang 11% sa survey.

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buti nalang di mo ako sinama sa kanila.
pero comment lang ako sa sinasabi mong survey. masyado naman kasi one sided ang sinasabi mong survey na yan eh. dapat para alam natin talaga kung ano ang pulso ng mamamayan, kapag sinurvey mo yung mga tao sa administrasyon, i survey mo rin ang mga tao sa opposition kung tanggap din sila ng tao para fair and square. baka mabigla tayo sa resulta pareho pala silang di pinagkakatiwalaan ng tao.

sir kavenishi meron na pong survey na lumabas na ganun few months ago during the height of the hello garci expose. i remember number 1 si kabayan noli na gusto ng mga taong pumalit kay gloria, number 2 parang si lacson, followed by Erap nasa bandang baba si Ms Susan Roces. so i guess that kinda reflect how people view or trust the opposition. trust rating survey results of key political figures both the administration & opposition side are also being released once in awhile.

“C’mon lets all move on guys, if you really want to impeach gloria do it next year ”

do you know what you’re saying hulseye?… One year with those congressmen?… with the high posts in AFP being changed by the president herself overruling the reccomendations of the Board of Generals who are obviously in-the-know more of the soldiers…. with the changes in the positions in SBMA quickly?… with every rally they will say the NPA or Abu Sayyaf will plant bombs?… that even I for one, personally, really know that the congressman from Bicol who is accused in Jueteng is REAL and yet dinadaan nya sa tapang and nanlalaki mata kapag nagsasalita sa house when asked about it?… Do you see the Floating casino in Manila Bay now?… Do you know it is now being used after they stopped it during the previous govt?… Do you know how many college students have stopped enrolling because of the very high tuition fees and low salary of their parents who just cannot afford sending them to school anymore?… wait one year?… again, C’MON!

im better-off with noli.. am not for noli… but because he’s the only legal option… or else, mas lalaki gulo pag humiwalay pa tyo sa consti… let us not solve a problem with another problem… again, im better-off with him… kasi takot na ako sa pwede pang gawin ni gloria within a year.. at least, get her out of the office, put a new government and please, let us now allow a change in form of government.. kasi ngaun un na lang ang nakikita kong pwede pang mging solusyon sa problema natin.. kc if we stick to our form of government now, sa tingin nyo ba maaayos pa ang gulo sa house ngaun?… i don’t think so… tapos sa senate, lipatan ng lipatan ng partido… and the Supreme Court.. Supreme what?…. guys, i know we’re better than this… let us not close our eyes and believe to every thing the ‘intellectuals’ will say.. i don’t believe in every word the opposition says… again, nago-observe ako.. as i have been doing since nagkaroon ako ng isip about politics… wala akong pinuntahang rally before.. walang EDSA akong pinuntahan.. katulad nyo rin ako dati.. sabi ko, ano ba tong mga ito.. bakit hindi na lang mag-aral, magtrabaho, etc.. kesa mag-EDSA but now alam ko na kung bakit sila nandoon dati…

sana lang, before you say hintayin ang isang taon para gumawa uli ng hakbang.. sana lang tumingin muna tayo sa paligid at makiramdam sa mga tao… i understand you are speaking for yourself.. well, for me, i feel that i am just expressing what others are feeling right now.. nanjan sa pinas pamilya ko.. my mom, dad, brother, my wife, 3 kids…. lahat sila nanjan, and i feel concerned about their situation there.. thinking that the people who runs the government are doing everything just not to expose the truth…

i have this question for you.. have you anything against the impeachment?… bakit ba ayaw nyo?.. o gusto nyo nga kaya lang, hindi na natuloy kaya sorry na lang kayo?… and just go on with your lives?… i would understand if you will not answer this question…. again, maiintindihan ko kayo…

i also agree with your comment menok, lalo na yung sinabi mo tungkol sa congressman from bicol na nanginginabang sa jueteng totoo yan. I am from naga city and i can say that they (the family) thrive on jueteng. yung anak pa nga nyan nananampal ng mayor pag hindi nanalo ang daddy nya bilang governor sa town nung mayor.

gagay, nice to hear that you bring that issue about that neither PGMA or the opposition have the mandate of the majority last election. Yes that’s true, kaya nga bakit hindi iapply sa susunod na election yung may round 1 & round 2 sa election. Kapag walang nakakuha sa mga candidate ng 50% + 1 na votes sa total cast of votes eh wala munang nanalong candidate. yung first and second place maglalaban ulit sa round 2 hangga’t walang makakakuha ng majority vote wala muna idedeklarang nanalo. I know magastos ito pero worth it naman di ba, at least sinumang umupo inihalal siya ng majority ng pilipino. at maaaring dahil dito yung suporta ng mamamayan magiging buo di ba at maisusulong niya kung ano man programa ang gusto niya dahil suportado siya ng majority ng pilipino. (assuming walang dayaan na mangyayari ha).

men0k, yeah your right walang tayong pera, suggestion lang po yung sa akin about round 1 & round 2 sa election. ngayon kung hindi pwede, nevermind. and i agree with you na kung pwede palitan na rin ang system ng gov’t ( but not now, later). Kung pwede federal system style nalang para regionalistic yung pagunlad. Kanya-kanya ng sipag yung mga regions sa pagpapaunlad ng kanilang nasasakupan di ba. At siguradong mababawasan ang populasyon ng Manila pag naging federal form ang system dahil walang masyadong natural resources ang Manila. Babalik at babalik sigurado ang mga tao sa kani-kanilang mga probinsya di ba.

grabe na talaga ang ginagawang manyobra ni GMA and Co.That is peoples money and that money is being used as power of GMA. Saan ba galing ang pera di ba sa mga tao so it means tayong mga tao ang power ni GMA. It is now time to remove that power to GMA and Co. If we will not support GMA mawawalan na sya ng power so lets start now to oust GMA and Co.by using our power.

Ang hindi ko maintindihan sa mga “matatalino” na naandito…..HINDI NILA MA GETS NA MERONG KRIMENG NAGAWA….KAHIT ANO PANG MABUBULAKLAK NA SALITANG GAMITIN NYO (nga pala…tigilan nyo na kagagamit ng Thesaurus)…..ang punto dito….kailangang mag bayad ang nagkasala….KA SIMPLE…ISAKSAK NYO NGA YAN SA MGA SENTIDO KUMON NYO!

ilang buwan na to….d nyo pa rin makuha…kala ko ba matatalino kayo?

KUNG HAHAYAAN NYONG BABUYIN AT BURARAIN ANG PILIPINAS…anong punyetang prinsipyo ang ipinaglalaban nyo?

-MANINDIGAN SA KATOTOHANAN

hulseye said,
September 14, 2005 @ 3:56 pm

C’mon lets all move on guys, if you really want to impeach gloria do it next year and replace her with noli. What if noli also became like gloria should we impeach him also and replace him with franklin drilon and so on and so forth. We would have a new president every year and rallies all the time. When will it ever end? I guess it will not considering those replacements are all politicos. Even if their replacements are not trapos, they still end up like their predecessor considering the immense power and money that the president wields, they all get intoxicated in the end with their own greed and lust for power.

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as long as those leaders are caught commiting impeachable offenses they should be removed. ganon lang naman kasimple eh. si fvr may kalokohan din yun pero walang nakuhang solid na ebidensia kaya nakalusot. si erap nahuli kaya natanggal. ngayon naman si gloria, nahuling nandaya at inamin niya pa kaya dapat lang na matanggal din siya. if ever na sa mga succeeding presidents may nagawa ring kasalanan at nahuli, tama lang na tanggalin din. hindi lang naman sa pilipinas nangyayari etong tanggalan ng tiwaling opisyal a (actually, sa ibang bansa nagkukusang magresign na yung nahuling opisyal dito sa pilipinas kapit tuko kahit nahuli na… walang delikadesa). so, bakit palulusutin? dahil maghihirap ang bayan? yan lang ang dahilan na ikinakalat ng kampo ni gma. eh matagal na rin naman naghihirap ang mga tao a. sa palagay ko nararapat lang na gawin ang mga hakbanging ganito gaano man kahirap dahil eto ang daan para sa ikagaganda ng takbo ng ating gobyerno at ikauunlad ng bansa. kasabay rin nito mamumulat ang masang pilipino kung paano pumili ng matino at tapat na lider ng ating bansa.i believe also we are still in a transition period from the long years of marcos dictatorship kaya hanggang ngayon hindi pa rin stable ang kalagayan ng bansa. kailangan lang maging vigilant tayo… bantayan yang mga nakaupo and that’s where the media plays a big role.

What is really wrong in our system?

Is the form?

Or its substance?

Would the change to Parliamentary of Federal form ensure a democratic process that will shy away from today’s controlled-micro-democracy in congress?

More likely it would be worst. And with the check and balance placed so close to each other… bribes will double to control. And more quickly the treasury will be depleted.

I only ask two – Responsibility and Accountability.

In our constitution today, these 2 are loosely incorporated rather than become a mighty hand of political guidance.

Today, the simple audit check can be easily bypassed. You’ve taken away billions of peso and you’re already out of the office (your term already ended) and yet COA is still catching up on its audit.

Responsibility. Government official must be more liable to the law. Rather than circumvent it most of the time to his/her personal pleasure.

kawawa naman tayong mga pilipino niloloko na lang tayo ng gobyerno na ito… inuubos ang pera para sa pansariling kapakanan ng pekeng presidente

MASYADO NANG GARAPALAN ITONG GOBYERNONG ITO…
GINAGAWA TAYONG ULOL…AT WALANG SILBI…

OUST GLORIA….UMPISAHAN NA PO NATIN…

lahat naman talaga gagawin ng oposisyon, lahat lalagyan ng malisya, para lang mapatalsik si gma.

hanggat walang malinaw na agenda o post gloria scenario wala tayong mapapala sa kasisigaw at kararally na wala naman patutunguhan. Parang bang ganito iyon , iyong aso niyo nangangagat tapos gusto mong palitan tapos yung ipapalit niyo leon. Tapos ngayon nasisira na lalo ang ekonomiya dahil na rin sa kakangawa niyo, sira na nga lalo pang masisira. Alam niyo mas gusto ko ngang mag rally para maka accumulate ako ng stocks sa stock market sa mababang presyo, dahil alam ko naman na sooner or later matatapos din yang kakaingay niyo. Sige pa mag gloria resign kayo para mas lalong masira ang ekonomiya natin , sige magsisigaw kayo dahil if the country is down , there is no way but up di ba . Never underestimate the filipino resiliency. Ang sa akin e just be realistic wag papadala sa bugso ng damdamin , mag isip di lang daldal ng daldal sigaw ng sigaw , nakakacontribute lang kayo sa noise pllution at pagkatakot ng investors natin, e matatakutin pa naman yung mga iyon. Btw gagay , kaya paulit ulit dahil paulit ulit din yung mga sigaw dyan ng sigaw ng gloria resign na di man lang inalintana ang kinabukasan , bahala na systemkaya tayo napapariwara e hanggang ngayon di man lang tayo nag develop pag may election kung sinong may pera ayun ang iboboto tapos pag niloko nung binoto pupunta sa kalye at magsisigaw duon. Di kasalanan ni gloria iyon kasalanan niyo yan , yung mga binoto niyong senador, congressman , pati na barangay captain niyo na binoto niyo dahil sa kaibigan ni ganito ganuon , nagpakain nung election nagbigay ng pera. O ganon yon kaya wag na kayong magtaka kung ganyan ang presidente natin it just reflect our true collective nature as a people.

hulseye, tama ka kabayan. sige sigaw kayo nang sigaw diyan sa kalye. ok lang pag bumagsak ang ekonomiya, at least feeling heroes kayo.

schumey said,
September 14, 2005 @ 9:43 pm

I’m a small businessman. I meet and talk to people from different walks of life. May mga may kaya at may mga kapos din sa buhay. Since this crisis started, I have yet to speak to someone who believes that GMA did not lie, cheat or steal. ‘Di man sila sumasali sa mga rally, ay iisa lang ang sentimyento nila at paniniwala, katotohanan. This is the silent majority who remains faceless and just observing. They complain on how hard life has become. These are the pepople who will rise when the time is ripe and show this government that they’ve had enough. Kaya kayong nagbibingibingihan at nananatiling bulag sa tunay na nangyayari sa ating bayan, gumingisaing na kayo.

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i respect your take on this as most of the people i also encountered shared the same belief that gma lied and cheated.

however most of them believed that it would make no difference if she is ousted and replaced with the same breed of politicians we currently have. they also believed that cheating is prevalent and the opps might have cheated as well in the last election, though obviously not enough to put them in power.

now i’m curious what reasons those people you met have why they are not yet moving or joining in some people’s clamor for gma to resign or be ousted. i bet we have common responses as well.

menok read my blogs… don’t just counter with a pity remark that escapes your accountability.

again noli is not a choice because there are no possibilities of an election in the near-future. noli is the successor.

everybody will say his the right choice or everybody will say he’s not.

do you really want solution? or a noli-alternative?

the path of noli had been made in the last years election and nothing changes that… unless loren could muster a convincing evidence of cheating in the vice-pres race.

whether we choose of gloria’s replacement is immaterial… why? let me ask you this, would gloria step down if we found a better alternative?

a big NO!

the question is just a ploy to confuse.

so why would i think of a solution?

the impeachment could have been one. now the call for a transparent comelec investigation.

solution start from small things but initially truth must come out.

post gloria scenario: noli as successor, retains good policies and junks bad ones; hires resigned economic managers; and we get rid of mike arroyo! woohoo! hehe. o sige na nga pati na rin si godfather mikey at si 3 hundred millionaire and formerly down and out iggy. throw in mad as a hatter tiglao and lying thru his teeth bunye.

wala masyadong ikaiiba sa policies yan. ang kaibahan lang we get rid of a person who clearly cheated in the last elections plus we leave a legacy of not tolerating sh*t like that. bantayan lang ang mga lopezes.

as for the opposition cheating, labas niyo na ang hello garci-like evidence niyo so we can make them accountable too.

menok, would you rally whatever my suggestion? yes or no?

do not put yourself in a corner.

Alam niyo kung bakit ayaw ni gloria ang impeachment, mas lalo lang magkakagulo dahil katulad nung nakaraan , araw araw na naman babantayan ng tao yung hearings na yan na parang telenovela. Wala na gagawin ang tao kundi ang manood ng tv at makinig ng radio. Ang gagawin na naman ng opposisyon e hindi rin tatapusin ang impeachment at magwawalkout lang din sa impeachment kasi siguradong talo na naman sila because impeachment is not a criminal or civil proceedings, its political so padamihan pa rin ng mga ka alyado yon. So you guys are talking about the truth , and impeachment would bring out the truth. think again , ganon din ang gagawin nung mga senador don, they will all walk the party line then tapos na ang impeachment siyempre magtatapon na naman ng papel yung oposisyon kunwari disgusted at didiretso sa edsa para manawagan ng people power. Dahil nakapanood ng impeachment ang mga tao araw araw mas madaling maghikayat ng maraming tao dahil na brain wash na sila sa kakapanood ng tv. Ngayon tama ang ginawa ni gloria pinatay na lang yung impeachment na iyan at wait it out hanggang matapos ang term niya at mag election na naman. The least she needs right now e magkaroon ng unity ang tao para mag alsa , magkaroon ng isang leader who could actually lead the rally. Kaya nga kaunti lang ang sumasali sa rally na iyan dahil sawa na ang tao sa kaka palit ng presidente at kakarally. Nagkaroon na ng people power fatigue which alam na ni gloria yan kahit anong survey pa ang lumabas. Alam din ng mga tao na pagnagka people power mas lalong ma set back ang ekonomiya natin ng around 10 years kaya ayaw na rin nila. Anyways , gloria has been doing good before kaya nga tumaas ang stock market kaso na wiretap naman siya ng oposisyon which mga vulture din ang mgayon. Nag aabang lang talaga ng kasiraan ng presidente katulad ni lacson, ilang beses na iyan labas ng labas ng ebidensya kaso walang nangyari. ngayon lang talaga nag stick ng husto kaya naging maingay ang mga iilang tao. Ngayon dahil dyan naging double edge sword naman its either gawin niya ang mga reforms niya with out fear or favor dahil any way sira naman siya sa tao at di naman siya lalaban sa next term o ang masaklap dahil sa dami niyang pinagkakautangan ngayon dahil dyan sa impeachment e pagbibigyan niya ang interest ng mga yon . lets just hope for the best and kung truth ang gusto niyong palabasin pwes when its about politics walang kayong truth na aasahan dahil lahat sila e puro sinungaling. Gusto niyo ng pagbabago , baguhin niyo muna ang sarili niyo para makapili kayo ng maayos na gov’t official.

so you are for GLORIA REMAIN! kung ano ano pa sinasabi nyo eh marami pang pasakalye. kung kaya nyong sikmurain si gloria e di sige by all means! pero sa ganang akin di ko talaga kayang sikmurain kawalanghiyaan ni arroyo. sana darating din araw ni arroyo. kundi man dito sa lupa may kababagsakan din sya somewhere there w/ one who has tail and horns smiling like a dog. (yung asong ulul ha?) that is gloria. NGITING ASO.

guys.. again, am not for noli.. i just want to be realistic. Tha’s is the only way now… kasi kung mag-people power and having many ‘replacements’ inmind.. walang mangyayari… noelet, hullseye, et al.. am not for any kind of argument or debate here… i just would like to voive out that people STILL knows kung ano ginagawa ni gloria.. maski anong pagtatakip ang gawin ni defensor, bunye, ermita and company.. alam ng tao un… kung kayo for her term to finish, cge un ung sa tingin nyong tama eh.. pero pls naman, wagnyo kaming turuan na sikmurain n lang ang ginagawa ni gloria KASI MAS SISIKMURAINI KO PANG MAG-KAMPANYA SA LIKOD NI NOLI KESA WAIT GOR GLORIA’S TERM TO END.. please, alam ko matatalino kayo lalo n ung kumamapit sa prinsipyo n hayaan n lang si gloria… the point here is TAMA BA O MALI UNG GINAWA NILA?… am not referring to the wiretaps or the cheating last election, kasi nga hindi p naman proven un.. am referring to what they did at congress… una, nag-proclaim cla kay GMA 3AM?.. ini-squashed nila impeachment, 3 AM?… oo nga, matatalino kayo.. kasi alam nyo kung gaano ka-clever si gloria and her dogs… kayo ung mga matsing.. matatalino at tuso… pero kami, kami ung pagong.. na laging nilalamangan at ginagago ng matsing… pero nung matapos ang istorya, naisahan din ng pagong ung matsing..

Koj

Subsob kasi yung mga naka-usap kong tao sa pag-tratrabaho kaya di makasali sa mga rally. Kung may mag-deklara lang sana ng work stoppage and civil disobedience, baka magulat kayo sa dami ng taong susuporta sa pagpapaalis kay GMA.

Kung ang iba sa inyo ay kuntentong kubain ang mga sarili sa pagtratrabaho para lamang payamanin lalo ang mga mapagsamantalang mga opisyal ng gobyerno sa pagbayad ng buwis, baka sa kalaunan ay bumigay din kayo.

Sa laki ng suweldo ng mga so called public servants na ‘yan, ‘di yan papayag na maalis sila sa puwesto. Sukdulang gastusin niyang mga yan ang mga buwis na binabayaran natin para lamang sa ganang kanila.

naku schumey, don’t try to excuse your FLOP rallies.

aprub kavenishi!

ironic but true…one big reason why malacanang does not believe with surveys because the street protests wasn’t able to prove it. there may be a lot of silent dissenters, but in this game called politics they are quick to say, not counted!

the root of the problem is us and gma is just part of it, ooops!

funny, but you seem to agree to what benigno keeps on saying here (no pun intended).

peace!

To good egg — FLOP man o hindi ang mga rallies, dapat magpa-salamat ka dahil merong mga tao na kahit na masaktan ay sige pa rin para ipaglaban ang karapatan ng marami. Sometimes, we have to take into consideration also what people who joined rallies feel when they are hurt. If you belong to the ordinaryong manggagawa, kahit di ka umaalis ng lugar mo, kapag na-pre-pressure ang gobyerno to give wage increases, isa ka sa makikinabang.

I think that it is unnecessary to comment na FLOP ang mga rallies ni schumey. If you’re rich, or your family is, ma-suwerte kayo dahil hindi ninyo kailangang lumakad sa kalsada para lamang may makain.

Kung walang mag-ra-rally o may layang maghahayag ng mga saloobin hinggil sa pantay na karapatan ng mga mamamayan, wala na ang mahahalagang elemento ng DEMOKRASYA sa bansang ito.

Tignan mo nga, kung saan-saan pa idinadaan ni Diaz ang salaping nakamal mula pag-panig sa mali? Hirap na nga ang bansa, pupunta lang sa kung saang bulsa ang salaping pinagbayaran ng buwis ng mga tao.

FOR KAVENISHI

Hindi naman kailangan kasi na araw-araw talaga ay mag-rally. Isang one time rally lang that would take GLORIA out no matter what. That’s all it should take. Most rallies fail because they do not have the support of a lot of people. Yong mga middle class, yong mga rich, etc. Just one time, that’s all it takes.

EDSA 1 & 2 can no longer be repeated. They’re part of history, and though some of the strategies employed then might still work, this time, dapat lahat na kasama sa rally… MAHIRAP AT MAYAMAN… side by side.